POV on my LLV route

[Diana_of_Themyscira]

-- Be safe and drive VERY carefully!

*after those 2 incidents the LLV's engine quit on me, I am convinced I am way safer with my POV.
Oh, and that happened to my sub, too.

 

[Diana_of_Themyscira]

Wondering Woman........do you have anything in writing about this arrangment?? I have done alot of things and missed out on alot of events because of this job but I will be damned if I will jeopardize my family's financial future for this job. I feel you are one accident away from your PM tossing you under the bus. No way would I run a POV on a LLV route without it being signed off on by someone that has the power to accept responsibility for any financial lost...........and that would be someone in a higher pay grade than a PM. Good Luck to you......and I really mean that........accidents happen very quickly and they don't need to be your fault.

It was with the LLV that I almost had the accident on separate occasions. That's when I decided I'd be safer with a POV. When we speak of an accident, it is not just the vehicle we are thinking about here, but more importantly the carrier.
A few months after I started using my POV, a co-worker had an accident with the LLV. She said the brakes quit working. She hit an island and the LLV ended up a total wreck. Fortunately, she was fine and was out for two weeks (with pay). That could have happened to me.

 

[Diana_of_Themyscira]

And also, it's pretty common that RCAs are asked to use their POV on an LLV route too.
The LLVs then are given to the City side.

 

[oi veh.]

Stop playing with fire, dear. At the first opportunity, your PM will throw you under the bus.

Get your DR involved for there is all kind of wrong going on in your office.

 

[Tammy]

Good Luck getting paid the difference in the DPS !! How many of these idiot supervisors/pm's actually know how to do that ??

Time to educate them then. If they dont want to do the extra paper work then they will stop asking to use the pov

 

[Tammy]

See attached it's pretty easy

 

[Rt2mailman]

While you MAY use your pov when you have an LLV assigned to your route, you are "giving" $ back to the USPS that should have gone to you.
The difference in pay for pov and LLV routes is "something" although not alot, does keep them from mandating more carriers . You are also saving the USPS alot of money by not having a repair cost for that route. If any carrier is being mandated to use their POV on their route/s they should grieve for more than just the ema amount. They should grieve for the cost of using and maintaining an LLV on that route. That cost is well above the amount given to carriers driving Pov's on their routes, and can be obtained by "requested information" by your steward.

 

[invictus1440]

See attached it's pretty easyView attachment 621

So my actual pay should go up for the two days also? I guess my main question. do you think I will get straight up mileage or the 29 or 30 dollar minimum. My route is only 17 miles

 

[Wilco183]

So my actual pay should go up for the two days also? I guess my main question. do you think I will get straight up mileage or the 29 or 30 dollar minimum. My route is only 17 miles

Getting $29.80 @ day as of 6 July...I'm only 8.5 miles, MITB.

 

[MiddleOfNowhere]

slightly unrelated, but today was pushing a cart out to load, when a very strong gas odor became evident in the garage. i asked who was leaking gas, thinking that maintenance had spilled some filling up the mowers. someone replied it was rural 4's. when i went in, i stopped to talk to the sub running the route, and he said it had been leaking for a couple weeks. instead of a 1/4 tank of fuel a day, it's been taking a 1/2. it's supposed to go into the local shop after work on friday. and they wonder why these things are a fire hazard? i told him if it catches fire, he probably should just walk away.

 

[Wilco183]

A known gas leak for 2 weeks, and still being used until the shop could fit the USPS in on Friday? Better chance of finding Waldo than right in that picture.

 

[btdtret]

Sprocket -- "So, the Union oks a contract with this in it? So if a route is 113 miles and she gets within 3 miles of the end and has worked 9 hours, delivered 250 packages and gets 4 flat tires....and has no leave time.......she has to do an lwop plus buy 4 new tires?"

-- That pretty well sums it up!

-- Worse scenario: The entire route is delivered except for the last mail box.

"I'm llv trained and can't stand them. I asked a couple of times about using my POV, mostly under the circumstances above (Northern NY Snowbelt) and was denied."

-- Unfortunately just another example of how post offices do things differently.

 

[lilly]

First off; the acquisition of USPS vehicles to service rural routes was a hard fought battle. Mangelment should have been forced to come up with a replacement vehicle. That being said -- I understand that to move work along and get home at a decent time you volunteered your vehicle. As a mixed route RCA I've done so myself ! Choices are made.

The thing is that operating a POV on a route daily is generally a losing monetary proposition. The compensation does not cover the 'rust, rot, depreciation', nor the occasional down time fully. You may be able to mitigate such losses if you can do your own basic maintenance and have a good backup delivery plan/alternative in place. Your POV may have a certain personal value such as comfort (heat and AC !) , four wheel dive, a nice stereo, or the reliability of a newer model - but it is of uncompensated monetary value. It is up to you to ascertain its worth.

If you break down with your POV you are responsible to secure the mail and get the route completed. You are responsible for towing and repairs. If your sub is called in - you forfeit the entire day's pay . -- A nice payday for that RCA if it is 30 minutes (done such !!) work ! If the LLV breaks down you are paid to await rescue, do not forfeit a day's pay, the PO does the towing and repairs. Generally; the mangler on duty is responsible to see that the mail is secure.

A business advisor once told me that if you can find someone else to take the loss do so. Such should be the role of your employer. Your choice !

Is there documentation to this? I have looked everywhere to find where it says how a carrier is to be paid annual or lwop for the day.