RCA’S Working and loading vehicle off the clock
- Thread starter Autlove
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What part of that sounds legal??????
That was my reply to him. He assured me that it was all fine. Will the union do anything if I contact them? This is the 4th conversation I’ve had with this PM about the same issue.
Check out the attachments in my above post #2. They are two different citations.
yes, they will.
call your DR to get this stopped. with any luck, he/she will also talk to the district manager.
Ask him what happens if someone gets hurt working OFF the clock
?FirstclassPITA
Well-known member
We all know that the p.m will claim they told them not to and that will be that. Management lies all the time and projects that ish on us as their justification for knowing that we lie. We must lie cheat and steal to wind up ahead because they are lying,cheating, and stealing to keep us down.Ask him what happens if someone gets hurt working OFF the clock
jaymacgthree
Well-known member
Evidently they want to make sure it stays an AUX. This is falsifying time records and RRECS data needed for correct evaluations. Climb the ladder with Union Reps if you have to in order to get it stopped. Things like this have a tendency to creep into other routes in an office and management is all too happy to have untrained RCAs do their bidding. Then when they get caught guess who gets the blame?
For a few years now, I have told the area union rep and the adr about carriers working off the clock DAILY and nothing has ever stopped it. Management continues to allow it. The last time I mentioned it to my steward he said they might have an appointment so they allow it. Every day. I come in and all the papers will be cased parcels organized on a nutter. The amount of time off the clock is enormous.
If they have an appt, they should let them CLOCK IN EARLY.
Instead it is probably like my district where you clock in a minute early, it's MULTIPLE YELLCON AND SO ON. You clock in 15 mins late, no problem.
Autlove et al -- "I was told today by my postmaster that it is okay for an RCA to work and load off the clock if it is an Aux route. Anyone else been fed this BS?"
-- Yes, it is bovine effluvium!!
-- Remember, RRECS was created, supposedly, so that rural carriers would be paid for EVERYTHING they do during the work day ( wink, wink ).
-- Whenever manglement says something like that, politely ask for a hard copy of their reference and for which postal manual it came from. ( don't expect to see anything in print )
-- Bottom Line: Working off the clock hinders the craft's ability to bargain for additional time and or compensation. ( rural carriers should have some interest in compensation! )
-- The NRLCA National Bored put out a 2-page article "Working Off The Clock" back around the time of the Wells disaster ( 2002 time frame ). Mentioned in that article:
- Therefore, the National Bored is serious about ridding the rural craft of this serious problem ( working off the clock ).
- A policy statement was sent to the field by the Postal Service in July 2002 that included: "Managers not allow rural carriers to "work off the clock". Ask manglement to check their files for it. ( there should be something on the Rural Bulletin Board regarding "working off the clock"). What!! No Rural Bulletin board in the office, that is an easy win grievance! )
- It is going to be up to ALL of us to ensure that violations of this policy be challenged to ensure that rural carriers not be allowed to work off the clock.
- the local steward should approach the carrier who is working off the clock and make the carrier aware that what he / she is doing is improper. If no local steward, any craft member can approach the offending carrier and explain all time should be recorded on the 4240. Or contact the Assistant District Representative ( ADR ), explain the situation. The ADR can speak with the offending carrier as well as local manglement. ( If working off the clock continues, the ADR may have to speak with someone at the District level. )
- The ending sentence: Your National Bored is committed to use whatever mean mane necessary to accomplish this mission.
-- Maybe some brave soul at the National Convention can supply the Nation Bored members with some lip balm as it certainly appears after 25+ years, lip service is all that has been done to combat working off the clock. ( JMHO )
-- Should manglement ( dare ) ask for your references, try these:
- PO-603's Section 152.71 Exact Time - Record daily on PS Form 4240 in hours and minutes the exact time of reporting, leaving, returning to the office, and completion of duties.
- Step 4 ( W-7 ), in part: It is imperative that managers not allow rural carriers to work "off the clock"..
- Step 4 ( R-18 ), in part: Carriers should not be permitted or otherwise encouraged to work "off the clock". All carrier time worked must be recorded on the PS Form 4240.
- Steward Link of June 2011 -- Working off the clock: It must stop! Stewards at all levels: We need your help.
-- If anyone has the May 2018 edition of the National Magazine, it's Question Box section addressed Working Off the Clock. ( might still be available inside the NRLCA web site )
-- Lastly ( finally! ) you could politely remind manglement that when they sign off on the 4240, they are acknowledging that all the entries are correct. If someone is working off the clock and not signing in properly, then manglement if FALSIFYING a postal document. ( Seems that should be a firing offense )
-- Just another thought: if manglement is allowing clerks to work off the clock, that shows District that there isn't really a need to hire more clerks!
-- Good luck.
-- Yes, it is bovine effluvium!!
-- Remember, RRECS was created, supposedly, so that rural carriers would be paid for EVERYTHING they do during the work day ( wink, wink ).
-- Whenever manglement says something like that, politely ask for a hard copy of their reference and for which postal manual it came from. ( don't expect to see anything in print )
-- Bottom Line: Working off the clock hinders the craft's ability to bargain for additional time and or compensation. ( rural carriers should have some interest in compensation! )
-- The NRLCA National Bored put out a 2-page article "Working Off The Clock" back around the time of the Wells disaster ( 2002 time frame ). Mentioned in that article:
- Therefore, the National Bored is serious about ridding the rural craft of this serious problem ( working off the clock ).
- A policy statement was sent to the field by the Postal Service in July 2002 that included: "Managers not allow rural carriers to "work off the clock". Ask manglement to check their files for it. ( there should be something on the Rural Bulletin Board regarding "working off the clock"). What!! No Rural Bulletin board in the office, that is an easy win grievance! )
- It is going to be up to ALL of us to ensure that violations of this policy be challenged to ensure that rural carriers not be allowed to work off the clock.
- the local steward should approach the carrier who is working off the clock and make the carrier aware that what he / she is doing is improper. If no local steward, any craft member can approach the offending carrier and explain all time should be recorded on the 4240. Or contact the Assistant District Representative ( ADR ), explain the situation. The ADR can speak with the offending carrier as well as local manglement. ( If working off the clock continues, the ADR may have to speak with someone at the District level. )
- The ending sentence: Your National Bored is committed to use whatever mean mane necessary to accomplish this mission.
-- Maybe some brave soul at the National Convention can supply the Nation Bored members with some lip balm as it certainly appears after 25+ years, lip service is all that has been done to combat working off the clock. ( JMHO )
-- Should manglement ( dare ) ask for your references, try these:
- PO-603's Section 152.71 Exact Time - Record daily on PS Form 4240 in hours and minutes the exact time of reporting, leaving, returning to the office, and completion of duties.
- Step 4 ( W-7 ), in part: It is imperative that managers not allow rural carriers to work "off the clock"..
- Step 4 ( R-18 ), in part: Carriers should not be permitted or otherwise encouraged to work "off the clock". All carrier time worked must be recorded on the PS Form 4240.
- Steward Link of June 2011 -- Working off the clock: It must stop! Stewards at all levels: We need your help.
-- If anyone has the May 2018 edition of the National Magazine, it's Question Box section addressed Working Off the Clock. ( might still be available inside the NRLCA web site )
-- Lastly ( finally! ) you could politely remind manglement that when they sign off on the 4240, they are acknowledging that all the entries are correct. If someone is working off the clock and not signing in properly, then manglement if FALSIFYING a postal document. ( Seems that should be a firing offense )
-- Just another thought: if manglement is allowing clerks to work off the clock, that shows District that there isn't really a need to hire more clerks!
-- Good luck.
go right over their heads to the DR and report it.
better yet, file a grievance.
if you don't get any joy from your DR, call his/her boss - nicky phillips - at national.
i can guarantee you that national does not have a laissez-faire attitude about this issue.
Rt2mailman
Well-known member
File a grievance and force your pm to aknowledge the truth about off the clock work.
