RCA trying for 90

[w2e2w2e]

So, in my office we have a carrier that stood up as 204b, her sub was ecstatic to sit on a route and try to become a 74-0.
However, union came in and told management according to Art 25 the regular carrier can only 204b for 30 days, then has to return to route for a week, or be changed to "higher" level pay. She, the regular carrier, is willing to take leave so she does not mess up sub, but union said she has to take a whole work week off of 204b and actually run her route for a week, or time off does not count.
Basically two questions.
1 how long does the 204b have to return to her route, and can she just take leave?
2 why is the union screwing over the sub like this?

 

[realroutecarrier]

All that does apply but only to city carriers not rural! Is she city? However, most offices don’t want subs to earn leave so they let the rural reg be a 204b for 89 days then put her on her route for 1 day then back to. 204b! Because a sub begins earning leave at 90 days! If I’m wrong y’all feel free to correct me!

 

[w2e2w2e]

It is not management stopping it, it is union steward messing with the RCA, she does not like subs for some reason.
I am not in support of either side, just throwing out facts as I was given them.

 

[Gotrope]

Your steward is attempting to hold mgmt to contractual writing. Any rural carrier performing as higher level is supposed to do so at the directive of a written order by mgmt supplied to carrier and DR. If they exceed the 90, the union would have additional documentation to support a case for rca back benefits.

 

[realroutecarrier]

Call ur district union, fighting against another carrier is NOT what we as a union do! She will be in trouble for that!

 

[BeatsAll-IEverSeen]

If someone wants to 204-B, after 30 consecutive days a 1723 is cut and the carrier reverts back to a 40K (if not already). Because this represents a pay cut for many rurals, they'll skirt this requirement by working the route only one day a pay period -- it stops the clock on the 30 days -- but if this is happening for long stretches then it's screwing the primary RCA out of 74 status.
The union isn't screwing over the RCA here.....they're holding management and the 204-B wannabe accountable. Personally if you're a rural and want to go to the darkside, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Pick a side and stick to it. If you want to play manager then take the pay cut after 30 days and let an RCA accrue benefits.

 

[wamailmom]

If someone wants to 204-B, after 30 consecutive days a 1723 is cut and the carrier reverts back to a 40K (if not already). Because this represents a pay cut for many rurals, they'll skirt this requirement by working the route only one day a pay period -- it stops the clock on the 30 days -- but if this is happening for long stretches then it's screwing the primary RCA out of 74 status.

This is what routinely happens in my old office.

 

[gotstamps]

BeatsAll is correct. After 30 days on an assignment, a 1723 must be cut or the Carrier goes back to their route. Some ADRs & DRs try to say it doesn’t have to be 30 consecutive days but that is incorrect. A Carrier taking Vacation time while working another assignment is a Vaca from the assignment they are currently working so it doesn’t count the same as running their route.
This is the Union trying to hold mgmt to the contract. It also helps RCA-short offices so that other Carriers may have their Relief Days & vacation times which may be denied due to no subs available. It’s not set out to “hurt” an RCA BUT sometimes it does help the Reg-working-204b to decide to change to mgmt permanently.

 

[Deer Smearer]

Section 3. Written Order Any employee detailed to higher level of work shall be given a written management order, (Form 1723, Assignment Order), stating the beginning and approximate termination, and directing the employee to perform the duties of the higher level position. A copy of the Assignment Order shall be provided to the district representative. Such written order shall be accepted as authorization for the higher level pay. The failure of management to give a written order is not grounds for denial of higher level pay if the employee was otherwise directed to perform the duties.


Where does it say the 1723 is after 30 days? Pay adjustment is 30 days. 1723 is day 1.

 

[BeatsAll-IEverSeen]

Let me clarify. A 1723 can apply to any time period, whether it be a single day or several months. If a 1723 already exists for a period longer than 30 days, a Form 50 is cut changing the carrier's pay after 30 days. The wording of my post insinuated that the 1723 is what triggers the pay change; it is not -- it is Eagan processing a SF 50 (NOA 901 code) for the new detail.

Unfortunately, a lot of 204-B work goes under the radar since "failure of management to give a written order is not grounds for denial of higher level pay if the employee was otherwise directed to perform the duties." Often the 1723 is not cut until the after the 30th day...or until the Union starts asking questions. I often associate the 1723 with the 30 day mark but if it's done properly the 1723 will reflect all days the carrier is in a higher level assignment regardless of the duration.

 

[Deer Smearer]

Let me clarify. A 1723 can apply to any time period, whether it be a single day or several months. If a 1723 already exists for a period longer than 30 days, a Form 50 is cut changing the carrier's pay after 30 days. The wording of my post insinuated that the 1723 is what triggers the pay change; it is not -- it is Eagan processing a SF 50 (NOA 901 code) for the new detail.

Unfortunately, a lot of 204-B work goes under the radar since "failure of management to give a written order is not grounds for denial of higher level pay if the employee was otherwise directed to perform the duties." Often the 1723 is not cut until the after the 30th day...or until the Union starts asking questions. I often associate the 1723 with the 30 day mark but if it's done properly the 1723 will reflect all days the carrier is in a higher level assignment regardless of the duration.

Funny thing is the last contract added the wording that manglement must notify the district representative. When that doesn't happen is the NRLCA the aggrieved party?

Wouldn't matter. I think the USPS could fail to submit withheld dues and the NRLCA would still bend over.