RCAs clerking/throwing packages

[Dominator]

Rural carriers or RCA's cannot throw parcels. However, if clerks don't file, then there's no documentation of violation so I suppose it continues until clerks decide that someone is taking work from them.

I was hired as a dual, my badge showed such. I was asked to shift to RCA only at about that time. The only work I performed outside rural work was parcels.

Rural carriers and clerks can both file on a craft crossing violation between the two.

Simply put, management is in charge of directing employees.

For one craft, the violation includes management doing something they shouldn't do (directing the incorrect employees to do the work).

For the other craft, it includes management not doing something they should do (not directing the correct employees to do the work)

The notion that those employees who should be assigned the work are the only party that can grieve is totally false.

Multi-craft grievances quickly turn heads.

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[gotstamps]

I tell my subs that if they do not want to work Clerk (throw parcels) or assist City (run their routes), they should put it in writing to mgmt, have mgmt date stamp it & signature receipt of the document, make a copy for themselves, & then file if forced to do it later.

Crossing Craft most certainly CAN harm the sub doing the work if those hours are what put them over 40 ACTUAL hours & they would have made more as Evaluated pay.

 

[gotstamps]

Clerk barganing unit work belongs to clerks.

Rural Carrier bargaining unit work belongs to rural carriers.

The day of the week is irrelevant.

Sundays are not considered Clerk work anymore than City has any rights to Sunday work. If I recall, neither have anything in their contract for Sunday Amazon work but I haven’t looked in a while (not my carriers, not my problem). Their job positions are Saturday & Monday -Friday. Only PSEs & CCAs typically will work on Sundays if the hours are available.
Territories are commingled, too, between what normally is City vs Rural & crossing zip codes or other cities (hub & spoke)

 

[Dominator]

Sundays are not considered Clerk work anymore than City has any rights to Sunday work. If I recall, neither have anything in their contract for Sunday Amazon work but I haven’t looked in a while (not my carriers, not my problem). Their job positions are Saturday & Monday -Friday. Only PSEs & CCAs typically will work on Sundays if the hours are available.
Territories are commingled, too, between what normally is City vs Rural & crossing zip codes or other cities (hub & spoke)

NALC and APWU both have Sunday work provisions (Sunday premium for Sunday work).

Some Sunday job functions are assigned to clerks while others are assigned to rural or city carriers. They may not be entitled to work Sundays, but if Sunday work is available, it goes to the appropriate craft.

My office doesn't co-mingle territory. Any crossing of zip codes maintains the M-S craft assignment. What goes on your office sounds suspicious to me. I've not (yet) seen anything that permits co-mingling. It sounds to me like managerial monkey business.

In my office, the parcel distribution scanner announces a route and package number, and then the clerk throws it to the appropriate container. Carriers are assigned to respective routes. "City" routes and "rural" routes are segregated and identified by route prefix.

 

[Deer Smearer]

Straight from an OIG audit

 

[gotstamps]

NALC and APWU both have Sunday work provisions (Sunday premium for Sunday work).

Some Sunday job functions are assigned to clerks while others are assigned to rural or city carriers. They may not be entitled to work Sundays, but if Sunday work is available, it goes to the appropriate craft.

My office doesn't co-mingle territory. Any crossing of zip codes maintains the M-S craft assignment. What goes on your office sounds suspicious to me. I've not (yet) seen anything that permits co-mingling. It sounds to me like managerial monkey business.

In my office, the parcel distribution scanner announces a route and package number, and then the clerk throws it to the appropriate container. Carriers are assigned to respective routes. "City" routes and "rural" routes are segregated and identified by route prefix.

The Amazon program creates the routes & there’s always at least 2 routes that cross zip codes Due to the zip code borders being in the middle of a neighborhood or the city.
My office is the Hub with spokes & we serve 4 zip codes on Sundays. Cool part is that the scanner automatically switches zip codes with delivery so that‘s not an issue.

 

[Haychica]

can RCAs be required to clerk (other than Sunday?)

yup..and then the clerks can file a grievance for crossing crafts

 

[Haychica]

It happens in my office every day I'm there to witness it.

Same here

 

[Worve]

Only happened once clerks filed that day when we told them. Since that one time 2 clerks are scheduled every Sunday just in case one cannot make it. Love our clerks they get the job done always even understaffed.

 

[Old Fart]

NALC and APWU both have Sunday work provisions (Sunday premium for Sunday work).

Some Sunday job functions are assigned to clerks while others are assigned to rural or city carriers. They may not be entitled to work Sundays, but if Sunday work is available, it goes to the appropriate craft.

My office doesn't co-mingle territory. Any crossing of zip codes maintains the M-S craft assignment. What goes on your office sounds suspicious to me. I've not (yet) seen anything that permits co-mingling. It sounds to me like managerial monkey business.

In my office, the parcel distribution scanner announces a route and package number, and then the clerk throws it to the appropriate container. Carriers are assigned to respective routes. "City" routes and "rural" routes are segregated and identified by route prefix.

Sunday work is the same in our hub offices, which handle parcels for all our offices for Sundays. Routes are separate, city designated with Y and rural designated with L. Route numbers follow, such as "L2" and routes are thrown in several wire containers per route. City carriers, both CCA and regulars, carry city, and RCA and ARC carry rural. No crossover. Clerks throw the parcels. Each route is for ONE zip code, as there are multiple zips in our hub office on Sundays.

 

[btdtret]

Dominator -- "NALC and APWU both have Sunday work provisions.."

-- Big deal -- so does the NRLCA!!

-- It's called straight time.

 

[Dominator]

Dominator -- "NALC and APWU both have Sunday work provisions.."

-- Big deal -- so does the NRLCA!!

-- It's called straight time.

Yes. That, 30.2.P, and a few other unfortunate quips.

That part of my comment was a response to the below comment.

Sundays are not considered Clerk work anymore than City has any rights to Sunday work.

 

[gerl2]

- By flat out refusing to obey the "instruction", that could lead to a charge of insubordination, which is not good to have on one's record. Not to mention a possible Emergency Placement in Off-Duty Status.

I disagree with this only because if you are caught doing another craft job and get hurt workman's comp will not cover it, YOU CLAIM SAFETY

 

[hockey94]

If you are following a "direct order" to work in another craft job, and you get hurt, how come workman's comp will not cover it ??

 

[Old Fart]

If you are following a "direct order" to work in another craft job, and you get hurt, how come workman's comp will not cover it ??

I believe it will if you were given a direct order clearly, and it's policy that direct orders must be followed. A CLEAR and ongoing safety violation, such as being asked to drive equipment you're not trained on, is grounds for safety refusal. But throwing parcels, I don't believe so.

 

[gerl2]

I believe it will if you were given a direct order clearly, and it's policy that direct orders must be followed. A CLEAR and ongoing safety violation, such as being asked to drive equipment you're not trained on, is grounds for safety refusal. But throwing parcels, I don't believe so.

How come so many have been refused workman's comp because they were hurt doing another craft, we had a clerk acting OIC went and carried city twisted her ankle did damage to the tendon and they were denied, because it was not her craft, if you are giving a direct order I would suggest you get it on paper then. So maybe direct order or volunteering might make a difference if you get hurt crossing crafts and if you are covered. I am sure someone on here should know more about this.

 

[Old Fart]

How come so many have been refused workman's comp because they were hurt doing another craft, we had a clerk acting OIC went and carried city twisted her ankle did damage to the tendon and they were denied, because it was not her craft, if you are giving a direct order I would suggest you get it on paper then. So maybe direct order or volunteering might make a difference if you get hurt crossing crafts and if you are covered. I am sure someone on here should know more about this.

My knowledge refers to "direct order" and not so much toward workers comp. I have experience in the private sector (employees would be covered, either through workers comp or state funded disability) but not within the post office. LOGIC would dictate as long as a person was performing legal and assigned duties they'd be covered, but I do remember "if it makes sense, we don't do it here."

There are some real experts on here. What's up with gerl2's comments? Why aren't these people covered? What are the restrictions of post office workers comp? It might help all of us if we have better knowledge of this area!

 

[just4answers]

My knowledge refers to "direct order" and not so much toward workers comp. I have experience in the private sector (employees would be covered, either through workers comp or state funded disability) but not within the post office. LOGIC would dictate as long as a person was performing legal and assigned duties they'd be covered, but I do remember "if it makes sense, we don't do it here."

There are some real experts on here. What's up with gerl2's comments? Why aren't these people covered? What are the restrictions of post office workers comp? It might help all of us if we have better knowledge of this area!

Its government. Whole different enchilada than for private sector workmans comp. Dept of Labor website has all the rules that have been in place and not changed in over a hundred years. DOL w/c is very scary!!!

 

[gerl2]

Thus cross-craft assignments to and from the Rural Carrier Craft may not be made under the provisions of Article 7, Section 2. They may only be made under the emergency provisions of Article 3, Section F - the "Managements Rights" Article. This section states that management has the right:
Management's right to make a cross craft assignment under the provisions of Article 3.F is extremely limited. If it is scheduled in advance, it is not "unforeseen". If it happens frequently it is "recurring". Finally, it is NALC's position that a desire to avoid additional expenses such as penalty overtime is never an emergency.

 

[Defiant]

What do you do with this fictional person? They show up quite early for their Aux route Saturday and see the Clerk is behind. USPS truck and the Amazon truck were late, again.

They start breaking down the Amazon pallets so the Clerk can get letters and flats ready for the 0730 carriers. They have time to start tending to their Aux route, because the Clerk is catching up.

They notice the K route is blasted with flats and SPRS. Best way to help would be to sort the SPRS while the K part timer get the flats up.

Oh no, the H route has 4 or 5 oversized for the same address. Fictional person says, I got it, no worriers.

The whole office has a good day. Fictional person does it all on their eval. No regrets. All Postal problems are local and can be solved locally.