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RCAs: Think you were paid incorrectly? Confused about the pay system? Read this first.

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Maybe this thread can be pinned to the top for reference.

I always get asked about the pay system for RCAs. There are also topics now and again about possible incorrect paychecks, etc. I thought I'd put some information all in one place.

The long and short of it is: if you are an RCA, you get paid the evaluation of a route, regardless of how long it takes you to complete it. However, total up all your actual hours in the week, including additional time helped and Sunday Amazon delivery; if that total is more than 40, forget the evaluated time; you get switched to actual hours for the week (you will get overtime pay for anything over 40).

Here is a long explanation with 4 examples. Please carefully read the examples to help understand how the pay system works.

- Keep in mind that as an RCA I’d recommend forgetting about a route’s weekly evaluation. Do not keep track if a route is a 43K, 44K, etc.

- Keep a daily record of the following:

   1) Actual time on the route (including lunch break so you can subtract lunch from the actual hours).

   2) The route’s daily evaluated time; such as 8.6, 8.8, 9.4, etc. (This information is listed on the 4240 time sheet for the route)

   3) Any additional time you spent that day working aside from your assigned route; this includes casing other routes, carrying parts of other routes, or basically anything that you end up having to record and submit on a “green card”.

   4) And finally, Sunday Amazon Delivery, which is payed by actual hours worked.

Let’s go through a few examples:

1. Let’s say in one week you worked 5 days, with each day having a daily evaluation of 8.8 hours; 8.8 hours * 5 days = 44 evaluated hours. Let’s say each day you ended up doing the route in 6 hours flat (including the subtracted time for lunch); 5 days * 6 hours = 30 actual hours. Assume that on this particular week you were never asked to help other routes, and you did not work on Sunday for Amazon. Thus, your total actual hours for this week would be 30 hours, and total evaluated hours would be 44. Since your actual hours are less than 40, you are paid evaluation time for the week, 44. Your paycheck would be 44 hours * hourly pay.

2. Now let’s look at another week (a bit more complicated). Let’s say you did the same route for 5 days evaluated daily at 8.8 hours; 8.8 hours * 5 days = 44 evaluated hours. Again assume you finished the route each day in a total of 6 hours; 5 days * 6 hours = 30 actual hours. Now, let’s say each day you were asked to carry part of another route, which you had to write down on a green card and submit. For the sake of simplicity, say every day you worked you had an additional 1 hour working on another route; so for the week your actual time total so far is the 30 hours from above, plus 1 hour every 5 days for a total of 35 hours so far. The 5 extra hours also get added to the “evaluation” pay above; 44 evaluated hours + 5 additional hours = 49. Let’s say that was it for the week; again since your actual work time was less than 40 (35 in this case), you would be paid the evaluation time; 44 + 5 = 49 hours. Your paycheck would be for 49 straight hours of pay.

3. As a 3rd example, let’s take the previous example’s information; you worked 5 days on a route, each day 6 hours actual time, plus 1 hour of additional help each day, and the route’s daily evaluation was 8.8 hours. So again we are at 35 actual hours worked and a total of 49 hours for the evaluated projection. Let’s say in this week you also worked Amazon Sunday. You worked 6 hours on the Sunday, and since the 6 hours on Sunday is always actual time, let’s add it to your week’s total. Your totals become; 35 + 6 = 41 actual hours, and your evaluation total becomes 49 + 6 = 55 hours. Now, since your total actual hours for the week exceeded 40, you will lose the right to be paid for all that evaluated time. Instead of being paid for the 55 evaluated hours, you will be paid for the 41 actual hours (you basically lost 55 – 41 = 14 hours of pay). However, since your actual hours were over 40 in the week, you are entitled to overtime pay at the rate of 1.5. So on your paycheck you will be paid 40 hours plus 1 hour of overtime so 40 + 1.5 * 1 hour = 41.5 hours payed on the paycheck.

4. Finally, here is a 4th scenario. Let’s say you work 4 days in a week, each day the evaluation is 8.2 hours, for a total of 32.8 hours evaluated (8.2 * 4). However, each of the 4 days you completed the route in 9 hours flat; you went over evaluation every day. So your total actual hours for the week would be 9 * 4 = 36 hours actual. So your total evaluated time is 32.8, and your total actual time is 36. The way the pay works is you get payed the evaluation of the route regardless if you complete the route in 5 hours or 11 hours. (Unless you hit over 40 hours in the week, as in my previous examples). So since in this example you are under 40 actual hours, you get paid evaluation, even though you physically worked more than the evaluated time. So your actual work hours will be 36 but your pay will only be for 32.8 hours.
 
Thanks for laying that bag of snakes out straight for everyone. I pinned this post. Hopefully it'll clarify things for people before they go through the trouble of asking here.
 
Now how about scenario 5 to be sneaky:

5. Let’s say you work 4 days in a week, each day the evaluation is 8.2 hours, for a total of 32.8 hours evaluated (8.2 * 4). However, each of the 4 days you completed the route in 9 hours flat; you went over evaluation every day.  And each day you assisted other people on green card for 1.5 hours each day so 1.5 * 4 = 6 hours.  So your total actual hours for the week would be 36 hours on your route plus 6 hours on green card totalling 42 hours of actual work.  

My question is: Do you only get evaluated time on your main route which would be 32.8 hours plus the 6 hours of green card to ONLY get paid for 38.8 hours, or do you get paid for 42 hours of actual work since you are over 40 hours?

6. same idea but add 1.5 more hours into green card so that you have 43.5 actual hours worked or 40.3 in evaluated system.  Both over 40, which do you get paid?

I have the bad idea that you get the evaluated time plus your green card, not actual pay.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>w2e2w2e said </strong>
Now how about scenario 5 to be sneaky:

5. Let’s say you work 4 days in a week, each day the evaluation is 8.2 hours, for a total of 32.8 hours evaluated (8.2 * 4). However, each of the 4 days you completed the route in 9 hours flat; you went over evaluation every day.  And each day you assisted other people on green card for 1.5 hours each day so 1.5 * 4 = 6 hours.  So your total actual hours for the week would be 36 hours on your route plus 6 hours on green card totalling 42 hours of actual work.  

My question is: Do you only get evaluated time on your main route which would be 32.8 hours plus the 6 hours of green card to ONLY get paid for 38.8 hours, or do you get paid for 42 hours of actual work since you are over 40 hours?

6. same idea but add 1.5 more hours into green card so that you have 43.5 actual hours worked or 40.3 in evaluated system.  Both over 40, which do you get paid?

I have the bad idea that you get the evaluated time plus your green card, not actual pay.  </blockquote>
I covered these scenarios, but in your scenario 5 you get actual hours only. So 36 + 6 so 42 actual hours (2 of which is overtime). 

Your scenario 6: all actual hours. 43.5 actual hours (3.5 will be overtime).
 
Thanks Kelp, 

I had just thought I had read somewhere that when we are getting evaluated time we kinda get hosed, but here is an excerpt from the F-21 manual confirming what you said.

And thanks for putting up with all my questions, it is much appreciated!!

<span style="font-style: italic">566.53 Overtime</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">When a rural carrier relief or rural carrier associate exceeds 40 actual</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">workhours in the week from all certificates combined, compensation for the</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">first 40 hours is at the straight time rate as explained above. For all hours in</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">excess of 40, the overtime rate will apply.</span>
 
Hey guys I have a question. Is there any change in compensation if an RCA works a single day that is more than 12 hours?

I have heard CCAs get "V-Time" which is their double their hourly rate. Thanks!
 
Sooooo....when all of the Sundays worked last year and it was required to put sunday on green card thus pushing an RCA over 40 and you got paid 4240 hours and 8 hours of straight pay for sunday, what say you to that? Because that's what's happening in my office.

SUNDAY is NOT on the 4240.

 

There's nothing better than working 7 days a week for 2 months and getting paid straight time for it! Union says, "duhhhhhhh be your own advocate" lol.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>rhunnicutt said </strong>
Hey guys I have a question. Is there any change in compensation if an RCA works a single day that is more than 12 hours?

I have heard CCAs get "V-Time" which is their double their hourly rate. Thanks!  </blockquote>
City does get double, but we only get 150% pay for any time worked over 12.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>rca4ever1 said </strong>
Sooooo....when all of the Sundays worked last year and it was required to put sunday on green card thus pushing an RCA over 40 and you got paid 4240 hours and 8 hours of straight pay for sunday, what say you to that? Because that's what's happening in my office.

SUNDAY is NOT on the 4240.

 

There's nothing better than working 7 days a week for 2 months and getting paid straight time for it! Union says, "duhhhhhhh be your own advocate" lol.  </blockquote>
If You work over 40 hours in a week, you're paid overtime. Doesn't matter if it's due to Sundays, assisting, clerking, or carrying routes, if your actual hours are over 40, the rest is overtime. Sundays have NEVER been on a 4240. If you don't work over 40 hrs, then you get eval & greencard time as straight pay. If your working over 40 & not getting paid, file a grievance!
 
Hello...I have read this again and again. i know I am getting ready to get screwed and would like to be informed how I should work so I don't. Regular taking leave for 8 days.....Monday thru following wednesday..weekly route standard is 58.24 hours;weekly evaluated is 48; daily is 9.6; i get work week is saturday thru friday. since i will not have a relief day..tell me how to work it so i get full compensation. Last time i got royally screwed because i came in under evaluation every day and when i hit 40 i was paid actual hours....39.45 with no ot( so much for being rewarded for doing a good job....)((((how come this "rule" doesnt apply to regulars? seems sorta one sided in screwing RCAs}}}}}

 

thanks in advance....
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>wolfound said </strong>
tell me how to work it so i get full compensation.</blockquote>
Take 9.6 hours to complete the route every day you work it.

6 days will be 40 hours at straight time and 17.6 hours at time and a half. 

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Last time i got royally screwed because i came in under evaluation every day and when i hit 40 i was paid actual hours....39.45 with no ot

</blockquote>
Confused on that one. How many days did you work and what were your actual hours? 39.45 doesn't make sense. Explain further.
 
worked the 6 days and becuz route is heavy in miles& light in mail{{{{{i could go into why this is but won't...you can guess by the numbers someone manipulated the system in the count}}}}.....was <span style="text-decoration: underline"><em>way</em></span> under evaluation every day i ran it...minute i hit the 40...was paid actual hours worked (39.45) in lieu of the evaluation(58.24) of this route........was sent assist on other routes and those hours 1.5 were paid OT......but my primary route...no OT...i know i was screwed and i certainly want to avoid it this go around
 
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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Bubba2017 said </strong>
Wait!  We get PAID to do this?  Where's my wife?  "Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"  </blockquote>
Hey  Bubba....what she'd say? Lol
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>wolfound said </strong>
i am worried because i am not certain i want to drive 10 mph to <em>s t r e t c h</em> out the route to the 9.6.....  </blockquote>
You left about $475.00 in the USPS pockets.

Wanna slow down yet?
 
9.6 X 6 = 57.6. 40 + (11.733333 x 1.5) = 57.6. So work 51 hours and 44 minutes over those 6 days, or about 8.6 hours per day. How do you do that? Change the way you do things. If you case DPS, take it to the street. If you don't case it, case it in a very meticulous way, making sure every piece is right side up. Check the 3982s (forward cards) closely after casing. Sequence your parcels perfectly, and then screw up the way you load them. Slow your dismount when going to the door being sure to do everything by the book. Walk around the car before getting back in. Basically, read the PO603 and execute it perfectly. Maybe stop and talk to the customers if you see them coming out to the box.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>wolfound said </strong>
worked the 6 days and becuz route is heavy in miles& light in mail{{{{{i could go into why this is but won't...you can guess by the numbers someone manipulated the system in the count}}}}.....was <span style="text-decoration: underline"><em>way</em></span> under evaluation every day i ran it...minute i hit the 40...was paid actual hours worked (39.45) in lieu of the evaluation(58.24) of this route........was sent assist on other routes and those hours 1.5 were paid OT......but my primary route...no OT...i know i was screwed and i certainly want to avoid it this go around  </blockquote>
So it was the 'assistance time' you provided that screwed you on this. If you had not helped anyone, you'd have been paid the evaluation instead. Slow down & double check your work. There's nothing like doing a better job than the Regular. ?

If you do as was stated by others, you'll either get massive OT or mgmt will force you off on 'day 6'. Mgmt only has to allow you to work up to the eval which you said is 48 hours. They can take you out any time after that. Good luck! 
 
I being fast is not a good thing I realize that but I was told to get done quickly so I could help the regulars finish their routes because I was the only RCA on duty those days. if I'm given a direct order by the OIC to help other routes I cannot say no Ergo I am in the same situation again, I guess. like I said the route is long in miles and short in mail... even though this route is classified as being overburdened it is only overburdened on paper. And I do dilly-dally and talk to customers but there is the ten minute rule that is strongly enforced. Because other routes in the office are truly overburdened with Amazon packages any RCA that happens to be on duty is sent to help those routes get done for dispatch I thank you all for your input. I will try to adhere to your advice
 
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