redline/return
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Lyra
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it’s the dumbest thing ever, you have to stop when you walk into the door so they can look whatever you bring back
Lyra -- "We got a new postmaster and there’s implementing this stupid red line again. But we are having to walk into only one door when to returning. I understand they can do the red line, but can they force us to walk around the building?"
-- Manglement can request carriers do what ever manglement wants. But it usually ends in one of two ways: 1) carriers request a reference, or 2) whenever carriers start requesting to be paid for the "new taskings" via the 8127.
-- If you are having to walk farther to reach the "red line" door, ask for the additional footage involved to reach the "red line" door.
"it’s the dumbest thing ever, you have to stop when you walk into the door so they can look whatever you bring back."
-- If manglement makes you wait at the "red line" until they come over to look at what ever you bring back, let them know they are "on the clock" for this new tasking! And that you expect the time to be part of your EOS duties. Or ask that you be paid via the 8127, which no doubt will cost manglement a LOT more than having the time added to your EOS. Note the time on the 4240 and make a copy for future reference.
-- Manglement can request carriers do what ever manglement wants. But it usually ends in one of two ways: 1) carriers request a reference, or 2) whenever carriers start requesting to be paid for the "new taskings" via the 8127.
-- If you are having to walk farther to reach the "red line" door, ask for the additional footage involved to reach the "red line" door.
"it’s the dumbest thing ever, you have to stop when you walk into the door so they can look whatever you bring back."
-- If manglement makes you wait at the "red line" until they come over to look at what ever you bring back, let them know they are "on the clock" for this new tasking! And that you expect the time to be part of your EOS duties. Or ask that you be paid via the 8127, which no doubt will cost manglement a LOT more than having the time added to your EOS. Note the time on the 4240 and make a copy for future reference.
Rt2mailman
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As soon as you enter return2du you are being timed for all things that you do. I would have long discussions about why your manager is scrutinizing your work more than ANY clerk's or any manager. Explain how that scrutiny is disparate treatment unless the clerks are going to be timed every time they walk away from the window, and management tasks completed daily and the quality they do them are continually checked.
gotstamps
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Incorrect. Duties performed during an already-timed function (EOS oe Load time) are already being compensated for as they are being timed for Evaluation Time.
This has already been grieved and won in a ton of places. Make sure your city carriers are grieving it also.
City carrier specific but here is an arbitration win from 2016.
https://fromatoarbitration.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/32369-Redline-Policy.pdf
City carrier specific but here is an arbitration win from 2016.
https://fromatoarbitration.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/32369-Redline-Policy.pdf
Afaik, Red Line is also limiting eos to 5 minutes.
gotstamps -- "Incorrect. Duties performed during an already-timed function (EOS oe Load time) are already being compensated for as they are being timed for Evaluation Time."
-- Caveat - I got out before RRECS came into being.
-- During the old fashion Mail Counts, don't ever recall being timed from when I returned to the post office, unloaded the LLV, and reentered the building.
-- Instead of traveling from the postal parking spot to door #1, the carrier now has to travel further to go in door #2 where the "red line" is. So the carrier has to go the extra distance for free?
-- When does EOS time actually begin?
-- Caveat - I got out before RRECS came into being.
-- During the old fashion Mail Counts, don't ever recall being timed from when I returned to the post office, unloaded the LLV, and reentered the building.
-- Instead of traveling from the postal parking spot to door #1, the carrier now has to travel further to go in door #2 where the "red line" is. So the carrier has to go the extra distance for free?
-- When does EOS time actually begin?
The Happy Friar
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when you get back to office and hit "returntodu". My reading of it specificly is when you park to unload your vehicle. You're allowed to unload and store the vehicle in different spots (ie unload at dock/door then move vehicle out of way/proper parking spot).
Then it ends on clock out or pmcasing.
Agree. However, longer EOS times will figure into your evaluation.
Our offices tried the redline as District sent four guys into each office to put them down. Lots of measuring, thinking, etc.
The LONGEST time the red line lasted was three days. Most dumped it first day, as District was the mandate not the PM, and everyone knew it was absurd. Told to "abide by redline" if District comes to the office, which they never do.
The LONGEST time the red line lasted was three days. Most dumped it first day, as District was the mandate not the PM, and everyone knew it was absurd. Told to "abide by redline" if District comes to the office, which they never do.
gotstamps
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What you are sharing is different from what is being required. The grievance from the City side was not allowing City Carriers to do their evening duties at their case.
This “Redline” that the OP is talking about is simply a literal Red Line put down on the floor where the Carrier comes in and must wait for mgmt to look at what is being brought back from route. This Redline does not change EOS procedure but only adds time to EOS by waiting for check-in.
The requirement to enter through a specific door adds more time for some carriers & is implemented so that mgmt can view who is entering and exiting the building after Carriers have left for their routes. Mgmt could claim that is a Safety issue keeping all doors unlocked where mgmt cannot see who’s coming in.
I know...but everything I read/heard bout redline was trying to limit to 5min eos. It's all
tonsillitis
Active member
but but but manglement says to hit no more scans instead of already passed during spm.
i know diff topic.. but cant help it
Shannonboy
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Its simple....its disparate treatment. Grieve it move on. Po mgmt are MMOOORRROOOONNNNNSSSSSSS.....
WE ALL KNOW THIS...do what you have to....itll change before the month is out..
WE ALL KNOW THIS...do what you have to....itll change before the month is out..
We hit whatever the deal is, passed or no more to scan, but take a pic and text to supervisor. This is so he has some type of evidence sorta to prove to his idiot superiors that we weren't just lazy arses.
