Scanning only 5 picked up parcels

RIAdmin · Jan 21, 2018

Everyone, watch for this one. The USPS is using Publication 399 to tell carriers that they only scan 5 parcels in a carrier pickup request. The actual language is IF there is not a SCAN FORM or Carrier pickup request, but in some offices, they have already said it applies to all carrier pickups.

I have heard from carriers that Stewards are telling them this is correct. I have only noticed this issue coming up in the last 2-3 years. Mail count classes are being told this is correct, so we really need some guidance on this before count starts from National.

My observations.. This is NOT in the mail count guide that I can find. Supposedly, this Publication was released by the USPS in 2010 but they have just recently started trying to enforce it, from what I can tell

Anyone ever run into this problem and does anyone have any information from their stewards about this issue?

Took me a bit, but I found this Publication 399 on a city carrier website. This is the citation they are using.

<img title="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" alt="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" width="500" height="169" />

This is on page 14 of the United States Postal Service. Publication 399 Pickup Services Field Guide

<a href="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-file-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf">5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf</a>

Karen11 · Jan 21, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">RIAdmin said 
Everyone, watch for this one. The USPS is using Publication 399 to tell carriers that they only scan 5 parcels in a carrier pickup request. The actual language is IF there is not a SCAN FORM or Carrier pickup request, but in some offices, they have already said it applies to all carrier pickups.

I have heard from carriers that Stewards are telling them this is correct. I have only noticed this issue coming up in the last 2-3 years. Mail count classes are being told this is correct, so we really need some guidance on this before count starts from National.

My observations.. This is NOT in the mail count guide that I can find. Supposedly, this Publication was released by the USPS in 2010 but they have just recently started trying to enforce it, from what I can tell

Anyone ever run into this problem and does anyone have any information from their stewards about this issue?

Took me a bit, but I found this Publication 399 on a city carrier website. This is the citation they are using.

<img title="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" alt="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" width="500" height="169" />

This is on page 14 of the United States Postal Service. Publication 399 Pickup Services Field Guide

<a href="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-file-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf">5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf</a> </blockquote>
YES!! Last Tuesday we were told starting Monday we only scan 5 pkgs per pickup. Citing it cuts down on time out on the route. Request or not. ADR said to send him a grievance. Waiting to see...absolutely B/S considering they had no concerns when we were out till 7:30-8pm in the dark before Christmas overtime. ?

D.B.Cooper · Jan 21, 2018

Yeah, what a shocking coincidence... they think it's great that people scan everything, up until right before mail count, and then now only scan 5 items because we don't want to give you all the credit you might actually deserve...

Geezy Louisy... can the NRLCA not see this??? <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

blamethesub · Jan 21, 2018

Hmm, might need to be a little creative. Scan 5 on location. Drive up the road a bit and scan 5 more at another box. Repeat as necessary. The scanner GPS wouldn't lie, would it?

I didn't say this out loud, did I?

gunny · Jan 21, 2018

Heard the same thing from my PM emailed my union rep and he said she is wrong. You get credit for everything you scan.

gotstamps · Jan 21, 2018

So according to a Union ADR, if mgmt doesn't want any scanned, don't scan. If they only want 5, do as you're instructed. BUT if mgmt changes their mind later, then we can grieve it and have the route adjusted to reflect the change. Document EVERYTHING! Get it in writing what is to be done if mgmt orders not to fully scan on location for pickups. If you get 20 pkgs for pickup, note that on your 4240 for possible later reference when mgmt "changes their mind". Then when they suddenly want ALL pkgs scanned, a grievance can be filed & won! It's the lack of documented proof that screws us when the rules suddenly change.

Just think... if you only do 5 scans per pickup & nothing is in writing, then mgmt later instructs ALL are to be scanned, where is your proof that this wasn't done during count?

MiddleOfNowhere · Jan 22, 2018

you have to read this like you are a lawyer looking for a loophole -

it says you are not required to scan more than 5, not that you can't.

klutz · Jan 22, 2018

So our customer checks on his 10 packages which were picked up.....Customer sees only 5 were scanned....What do you think the customer will do next?

If we don't scan as accepted, then what happens? The parcels just start showing up along the way as as scans and USPS looks like a bunch of jerks...Duh.

btdtret · Jan 22, 2018

klutz et al -- "The parcels just start showing up along the way as as scans and USPS looks like a bunch of jerks…"

-- They already do -- nothing new here, move along.

hunchback · Jan 25, 2018

Jeanette...

The time frame for comments on the Engineering Study has been extended to February 1st.

"On October 31, 2017, the parties received the Chairperson’s “recommendation for a Revised Evaluated Compensation System.” Per the MOU creating the ECS time standards project, which was part of the 2012 Clarke Interest Arbitration decision, the parties agreed to a 30-day period for evaluation and comment. However, given the scope of the project, the Chairperson’s almost 80-page report and extensive appendices, the parties mutually agreed to extend the time for evaluation and comment until February 1, 2018. This extension does not change the expectation that the Chairperson will issue the final determination within ninety (90) days of receiving the parties’ comments."

WAS 5 SCANS THE LIMIT DURING THE MULTI YEAR PROCESS CALLED THE ENGINEERING STUDY ?

HOW WILL WE BE PAID FOR THE PARCELS WE PICK UP IN EXCESS OF 5, once the new system is in place, IF THERE IS NO ELECTONIC TRAIL FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, THE SCANS WE WERE DOING DURING THE ENGINEERING STUDY ?

WILL YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS FOR THE CHAIR PERSON **** BEFORE FEBRUARY 1st *****

WILL YOU CONTACT THE ARBITRAITOR WHO ORDERED THE ENGINEERING STUDY AND TELL HIM THE USPS IS SPITTING IN HIS FACE WITH THIS LATEST DEVELOPEMENT

COME ON MAKE AN EFFORT AT LEAST

humper1va · Jan 25, 2018

I have over 50 scans a day from 2 different businesses. they want to have a record of their packages. I have had over 100 scans on certain days. if I have been doing all of this for nothing, it is really bullshit. also I had a customer ask me about a package that was out for delivery on 1/16/18. I was off. next scan says carrier delayed. he never received the parcel. calls to the supervisor is non productive. so I asked. here is what they are doing. if the carrier gets pulled off the street, the packages are brought back, and they are told not to scan them again the next day, because they do not want amazon to know. so there is no further record for that package. I said who is going to pay for all the people that said they did not get it, or worse, a carrier knowing this stupidity can take a parcel and say he left it. I do not understand how they can get away with this.

Shafted · Jan 25, 2018

These directives to hinder the transparency of Amazon scans should be called in to the OIG

gotstamps · Jan 25, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Shafted said 
These directives to hinder the transparency of Amazon scans should be called in to the OIG </blockquote>
I agree as this is NOT happening everywhere. We have misthrown pkgs every day but we've NEVER been instructed to not scan on delivery. Heck, we're not even told which pkgs were from the day before.

klutz · Jan 25, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">btdtret said 
klutz et al -- "The parcels just start showing up along the way as as scans and USPS looks like a bunch of jerks…"

-- They already do -- nothing new here, move along. </blockquote>
Perhaps I should clarify my statement.....USPS looks like a bunch of jerks....however.....I don't like to be put in a position where my customers think that of me.

D.B.Cooper · Jan 26, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">klutz said 

Perhaps I should clarify my statement.....USPS looks like a bunch of jerks....however.....I don't like to be put in a position where my customers think that of me. </blockquote>
My sub takes care of that with all of their haphazard ways... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />

Boston65 · Jan 26, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">RIAdmin said 
Everyone, watch for this one. The USPS is using Publication 399 to tell carriers that they only scan 5 parcels in a carrier pickup request. The actual language is IF there is not a SCAN FORM or Carrier pickup request, but in some offices, they have already said it applies to all carrier pickups.

I have heard from carriers that Stewards are telling them this is correct. I have only noticed this issue coming up in the last 2-3 years. Mail count classes are being told this is correct, so we really need some guidance on this before count starts from National.

My observations.. This is NOT in the mail count guide that I can find. Supposedly, this Publication was released by the USPS in 2010 but they have just recently started trying to enforce it, from what I can tell

Anyone ever run into this problem and does anyone have any information from their stewards about this issue?

Took me a bit, but I found this Publication 399 on a city carrier website. This is the citation they are using.

<img title="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" alt="2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/2018-01-21-at-10.11-AM.jpeg" width="500" height="169" />

This is on page 14 of the United States Postal Service. Publication 399 Pickup Services Field Guide

<a href="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-file-uploads/riadmin/2018/01/5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf">5-24-16-Revising-Pickup-Services-Field-Guide-Moore.pdf</a> </blockquote>
With the PO rolling out the expected delivery window of 2 hours, this BS will not work as they implement this program. Senders pay for our service and pay for tracking from pick up to delivery. How can informed delivery work if the PO wants to stunts like this just to manipulate the count.

btdtret · Jan 26, 2018

Boston Redsox 65 -- "With the PO rolling out the expected delivery window of 2 hours,.."

-- It certainly would help if the USPS managed to get the mail trucks to the local post offices at the same time every day and also give carriers the same amount of mail each day, then it might work. Until then, good luck making the USPS's delivery window. And just maybe the USPS can put in a good work with Mother Nature.

D.B.Cooper · Jan 26, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Boston RedSox 65 said 

With the PO rolling out the expected delivery window of 2 hours, this BS will not work as they implement this program. Senders pay for our service and pay for tracking from pick up to delivery. How can informed delivery work if the PO wants to stunts like this just to manipulate the count. </blockquote>
I asked for a new print of my 4003, and in the far right column, it now lists "Begin Route Clock Time (HH:MM)"

As far as I can tell, this is some sort of projected arrival time for each location on our routes...

What'll they think of next??? <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

Back to BoSox's point tho... they'll be back to wanting EVERYTHING scanned after the 2nd week of March... <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" />

faceindawind · Feb 1, 2018

Had this come up today in count chat. PM called. Local POOM and Rural Operational Manger said, give credit when due. This is fraud. At some point after count the rule will change because of customer complaints and grievances will be submitted.