seatbelts..whats next for this guy?
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FirstclassPITA
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It sounds like maybe something is wrong with that sensor that tells you if the seatbelt is engaged or not. Maybe the buckle wasn't properly seated and that is why it will work from this point on? I wouldn't worry about it unless this carrier has been given warning before. If it is just a pdi eat it and buckle up in the future.
Bucknadhand
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most turkeys here that I know on the metris's just buckle the belt and then sit on them. lol Lord do i hate those vans ill take my llv anyday
Deer Smearer
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Interesting that the word “observed” was used.
Observed should mean someone from manglement actually saw the carrier driving without wearing the seatbelt. Showing up on a report is not observing.
So, if they were observed not wearing their seatbelt, then it would be difficult to argue it was unsafe while allowing them to continue driving for 21 miles.
Exactly. If management followed them for that long without a seatbelt, then shame on them, not the carrier.Interesting that the word “observed” was used.
Observed should mean someone from manglement actually saw the carrier driving without wearing the seatbelt. Showing up on a report is not observing.
So, if they were observed not wearing their seatbelt, then it would be difficult to argue it was unsafe while allowing them to continue driving for 21 miles.
johnwayne et al -- "was alerted today that a fellow carrier had been "observed" not wearing his seatbelt for 21 miles of his 27 mile route. I dont know any more about it than this. whats next for him?"
-- What was the carrier driving? POV or LLV or Metris or ProMaster?
-- Unless the "observer" was riding in a jump seat in the back of an LLV, how could the carrier be observed for 21 miles of a 27 mile route -- unless there was a camera behind the carrier!
-- Probably the "observer" should be written up for observing a dangerous situation, but did not take any corrective action per Section 651.4 of the ELM. An employee may be placed in an off-duty status IMMEDIATELY, but remain on the rolls when he or she:
b. Fails to observe safety rules
-- Certainly having observed a carrier driving for 21 miles should have rated a PS FORM 4594
( Observation of Driving Practices ) being generated.
-- Any bets that the observer realized he/she would have to deliver the route if the carrier was held to the ELM's Section 651.4?
-- Keep us in the loop for further developments, please.
-- What was the carrier driving? POV or LLV or Metris or ProMaster?
-- Unless the "observer" was riding in a jump seat in the back of an LLV, how could the carrier be observed for 21 miles of a 27 mile route -- unless there was a camera behind the carrier!
-- Probably the "observer" should be written up for observing a dangerous situation, but did not take any corrective action per Section 651.4 of the ELM. An employee may be placed in an off-duty status IMMEDIATELY, but remain on the rolls when he or she:
b. Fails to observe safety rules
-- Certainly having observed a carrier driving for 21 miles should have rated a PS FORM 4594
( Observation of Driving Practices ) being generated.
-- Any bets that the observer realized he/she would have to deliver the route if the carrier was held to the ELM's Section 651.4?
-- Keep us in the loop for further developments, please.
jaymacgthree
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That's what happens when a foolish organization orders thousands of them without a 2-piece belt so that you can't reach mailboxes. Hard to believe there is something on a LLV more intelligently designed...
jaymacgthree
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If management saw that and did not confront them then they failed to do their job. Engaging in speculation and hearsay is another major problem at the Postal Service. Everyone here tries to point out the spec of dust in another's eye and ignore the blank in their own. It's best to MYOB rather than engage in malicious gossip.
and THIS above is exactly why you contact your DR immediately as they know how to abut these accusations with questions and documentation management usually can't answer.
I'd also wonder what vehicle they were driving....POV, LLV, Metris, the Duck....LLV's have NO seatbelt sensors to GPS. Was it observation or report?
I would agree with you on this. I bet money the sensor is broken and that is "how management observed" of no belt. I have never seen management ever watch me on the rural side ever in all of my years besides inspections.
jsthere723
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Observed for 21 miles !! Hard to believe. Probably sensor data observation, not an actual observation
Rt2mailman
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This carrier was NOT "Observed" not wearing his seatbelt. An electronic indicator suggested to a manager that this carrier should have a driver's observation. No carrier can get in trouble for electronic indicators suggesting ANYTHING. Hard stops/accelerations, backing more than 50 feet, or driving eradicately can only be punishable by driver's observations, not electronic indicators.
These "Tools" used by the Usps are just that, and only to notify managers that driver's observations should be done on the employee being indicated.
These "Tools" used by the Usps are just that, and only to notify managers that driver's observations should be done on the employee being indicated.
