Spm agreement

[speedie]

At State of Union NRLCA president announced spm agreement. 18 seconds for any spm request without a scan and 35 seconds if there is any scan activity. Number of items scanned does not change time paid.

 

Stupid autocorrect... title should be spm not so. Can a mod fix that? I don't see a way on my end.

 

[faceindawind]

No scan activity? We now have to note this too?

Uhh.. Let's scan more items for less pay. Sounds about right. 

Can't wait for the new Contract talks if this is an early omen of what to look forward to.

 

[dhoward541]

When is this suppose to begin? 

 

[D.B.Cooper]

So they "announce" all this BS at the annual party, er, convention... when are they gonna "announce" it at our local PO's and start actually paying us for it???  <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

Oh, and way back when we WERE getting paid for these, we were getting 50 seconds per each event, or actual time, whichever was greater... now it's 18 & 35 seconds???  THANKS NRLCA... if this is a preview of the time study... let's all just bend over now...  <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />

So the NRLCA called time out on this SPM BS when they jumped it up to 15 scans per event... said maybe 50 seconds wasn't enuf for 15 scans... now they agree that 35 seconds is enuf to do all this button pushing AND 15 scans... WTF??? 

35 seconds is in NO WAY adequate for 15 scans and all the associated button pushing... once again, we've been sold out and screwed... more inadequate time standards... gives us a lot to look forward to with what this time study holds for us... hourly is looking better and better...

 

[speedie]

I was not there for the announcement but it was published in one of the convention newsletters. That was all the specifics given in the publication. The only other thing I have heard is the agreement was just made. As in on Monday.

 

[gotstamps]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>dhoward541 said </strong>
When is this suppose to begin?   </blockquote>
It says September 2, 2017 until 2018 count. It reads as if they'll be 'built-in' at that point whether a route counts or not... just like the P/U Requests! Not only that but we'll be paid less than before. I'm sure they'll cease with the SPMs during count, anyways. ?

 

[faceindawind]

Official E mail sent today to office about new time standards. To be recorded as 8127 time on check. 

When? I don't know. It's going to take time to go through the back log of entries by carriers on the time sheet based on office size. 

 

[boxstuffer]

We got the Stand Up Talk on the SPM payback today. 

Supervisor didn't go into details but said recorded scans will be paid back.

Think the numbers are supposed to be submitted in early September.

Glad I wrote everyone of them down on my time sheet since this asinine event started.

BS

 

[klutz]

As always happens.....Somewhere in the past some folks were told not to keep putting down spms on their time sheets......Some of us still did.....Now those who did will get paid. Those who didn't have no proof or numbers.

 

Word to the wise....Always document anything which is in contention....Years down the road it becomes important.

 

[D.B.Cooper]

The other day the stupid scanner started going off... the heat index was above 100 degrees, I was in a heavy traffic area, I was stopping for a box that gets a LOT of mail... so much that I always have it all rubber banded up from the PO... and I'm thinking to myself... maybe I'll get paid 35 seconds for this SPM, or maybe I won't because it's not yet September 2nd yet... decisions, decisions... what would you do???  <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

 

[wolfound]

He who hesitates loses....even if it is just sense (sic)

 

[faceindawind]

Was told 2nd pay period in Sept we should see this great windfall. 

 

[D.B.Cooper]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>wolfound said </strong>
He who hesitates loses....even if it is just sense (sic)  </blockquote>
Yeah, believe you, me... as soon as I heard that thing starting to go off, if anything I hurried up, and slapped that rubber-banded wad of of mail in the box, slammed it shut... almost peeled out getting to the next box... hail, I was probably TWO boxes passed by the time that scanner-hammer finally spit out what address it wanted... <img title="Surprised" alt="Surprised" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif" />  "ALREADY PASSED".... <img title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" />  Whoops... sorry...  <img title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" />

 

[D.B.Cooper]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Faceindawind said </strong>
Was told 2nd pay period in Sept we should see this great windfall.   </blockquote>
Face, I think we should just 'face' it... these SPMs deserve a special little extra hot place in HELL right along with the Aux Rt's... jmho...  <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

I mean, seriously.... the NRLCA called a halt to this nonsense when they jumped the scans from like 3 to 15, saying 50 seconds wasn't enuf... and so what now, 35 seconds is all of a sudden enuf???  WTF???  <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />

And, like I described above, we got this damned thing going off on Mondays, and other heavy mail days, and they think we should be un-rubber-banding and re-rubber-banding bundles of mail, to scan 15 pieces of mail, in crazy traffic conditions, with the heat index soaring above 100 degrees???

Yeah, I guess you're right... that 35 seconds really is a 'great windfall'...  my <span id="autocomplete"><span id="autocomplete-delimiter">@</span><span id="autocomplete-searchtext"><span class="dummy"></span>$$... </span></span><img title="Surprised" alt="Surprised" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif" />

 

[faceindawind]

I enjoy the SPM pings of how it butchers the name of the road you are on. If one wants to get real technical the road name you request for is not on my route. 

Also love "scan flats then letters". I case all. So in front of me is letters followed by flats of corresponding size. No way am I going to pull those underlying flats first to scan. 

From the award and if road pronounced correct. Be satisfied I scan 3 items and cram the rest along with the meds into the box. At least until the IE and scan time is hammered out. 

It would be hilarious if the IE study showed scan times have a higher value than the SPM scan prompt award forcing another MOU for proper credit and potential back pay

 

[klutz]

Just a thought.....How long would it take them to figure out this.  You get the dang beep. You haven't gotten to the address yet. You pick up any old mail and scan it. If this spm crap is for real.They should pick up our innocent error pretty fast.  If they don't pick it up...what the hell are we doing these for?

 

[D.B.Cooper]

That is something I've never understood... why the hell are we even doing these???

As far as I can tell it's got NOTHING to do with delivering the mail... in fact, it's a detriment to delivering the mail... it's a distraction, a safety hazard, a PITA... when you've already got mail bundled up and ready for delivery, they want you to un-bundle it and scan it... for what??? And how does that help in delivery???

Hail, they've already got a friggin' picture of every piece of DPS we're delivering for that day... why the hail should we have to scan something they've got pictures of??? It's just another way to look over our shoulders...  that's why I'm happy to tell them... "ALREADY PASSED"... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

 

[gotstamps]

The SPMs are to see how long it takes for a letter to get from A to B.

I been thinking that maybe the time credited for this endeavor was an average of how long it HAS been taking for people to handle them. As so many have stated that they just Enter, Enter, Enter, I can see where that would take a lot less than 35 sec.When you average those 'nothings' with the carrier's time that actually do the work requested, I'm sure it does equal out to the 35. I'm just glad I've kept up with these and that our mgmt paid them each pay period. 

We haven't been told anything on the change (I already know, though). We did have a stand-up partly on people ESC out of them. Anyone who missed a certain # of scans in a month will be pulled into the office. They are cracking down!

 

[wfillbra]

How about a resolution that says " We know whether you performed a scan or not and will appropriately adjust your paycheck" without having to write this crap down.

 

[MrMagoo]

D.B. Cooper said:

" That is something I’ve never understood… why the hell are we even doing these???
As far as I can tell it’s got NOTHING to do with delivering the mail… in fact, it’s a detriment to delivering the mail… it’s a distraction, a safety hazard, a PITA… when you’ve already got mail bundled up and ready for delivery, they want you to un-bundle it and scan it… for what??? And how does that help in delivery??? "

DB the reason we are doing these are because the Rural Craft will do them for free for a period of time and then for a pittance after a lengthy dely.

The SPM is an innovation, I hesitate to use that word for anything the USPS does, the Rural Craft doing this function has essentially eliminated the need for an entire department in each district that did what were called OTIS Tests. This department had a Manager, (6 figures per year?) and a staff of worker bees ( 60K a year ?) with Government vehicles and the latest IT / Laptops and scales. The OTIS Test measured the time it took a piece of mail to get from point A to point B, thus assessing reliability of our products. 

So 50 seconds was a bargain for the USPS 35 seconds is a steal.

My question is do they do SPM's on city routes, does anyone know? I think it might take someone with a satchel over their shoulder and a bundle of mail for multiple addresses in one hand and the scanner in the other, longer than 35 seconds to do an SPM especially on a windy, sunny or rainy day, so I just wonder if the Rural Craft Alone has taken over the OTIS Test function