Taking Rural vehicles for city

[MostlyHarmless]

Basically management has made it a habit to take rural vehicles from subs and low seniority regular rural carriers and give those vehicles to our city carriers. People are pissed a frustrated my DR is saying as long as those carriers are being compensated wsit time that there is no harm or foul.
But then I find on the website this little thing L-101 "other use of rural vehicles" and now I'm trying to figure out how the DR is right and this isn't interfering with the carriers route. Would appreciate someone being kind enough to explain what I'm missing here.
Thank you.

 

[gotstamps]

The carriers being delayed could file a grievance if this is constantly happening (not an emergency) as it does interfere with the carriers duty to the assigned route.
I am surprised that they make it back from route in time for dispatch.

 

[Rt2mailman]

These carriers you speak of are supposed to be scheduled employees. To add to their day means their managers are no longer holding to their schedule. Even with compensation I doubt that someone that needs to pickup a child at a certain time is being compensated for extra late fees associated with them being late due to their USPS managers failing to have their REQUIRED and ASSIGNED government vehicles available.
The city carriers can wait, they are hourly paid employees, and their wages are NEVER
based on encentives allowing getting done early for the same pay. Every route has a vehicle assigned to it, although they can change if maintenance needs to be done, that vehicle is supposed to be assigned to that route FIRST, then if other uses by the USPS are needed that can happen AFTER the rural carrier is done. Also all vehicles used by the USPS by other than the assigned rural carrier MUST be fueled up by that user, even if not less than 1/2 of a tank.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

These carriers you speak of are supposed to be scheduled employees. To add to their day means their managers are no longer holding to their schedule. Even with compensation I doubt that someone that needs to pickup a child at a certain time is being compensated for extra late fees associated with them being late due to their USPS managers failing to have their REQUIRED and ASSIGNED government vehicles available.
The city carriers can wait, they are hourly paid employees, and their wages are NEVER
based on encentives allowing getting done early for the same pay. Every route has a vehicle assigned to it, although they can change if maintenance needs to be done, that vehicle is supposed to be assigned to that route FIRST, then if other uses by the USPS are needed that can happen AFTER the rural carrier is done. Also all vehicles used by the USPS by other than the assigned rural carrier MUST be fueled up by that user, even if not less than 1/2 of a tank.

For clarification purposes does this also apply to subs? Management is claiming that since they are "paid hourly" that this doesn't apply. Most subs work over 40hours in my office.

@gotstamps our dispatch is very late 7:00pm. But we are a larger office.

Glad to know I was on the right track... after finding that L-101 paper me and my DR got into it a little. DR ONLY seems to care about compensation but I might have a carrier file and likely send it to step 2 anyway.

 

[fable]

Similarly, they come to our office on Amazon sunday to take our vehicles for use. I only put 100 miles a week on my route, but they put 100 miles in one day and leave it a mess. Hate that other people are taking it on sundays

 

[IDPOSTAL]

Similarly, they come to our office on Amazon sunday to take our vehicles for use. I only put 100 miles a week on my route, but they put 100 miles in one day and leave it a mess. Hate that other people are taking it on sundays

Conveniently forget to turn in your key... Hopefully, no one will be aware of the spare keys!!

 

[btdtret]

Rt2mailman et al -- "The city carriers can wait, they are hourly paid employees, and their wages are NEVER
based on incentives allowing getting done early for the same pay."

-- Actually the city side does have the 7:01 "Rule":

- a city carrier who actually works more than 7 hours but less than 8 hours of a regular scheduled day and who is officially excused from the completion of the 8-hour tour is credited with 8 hours of work time for pay purposes. ( ELM Section 432.53 ) ( guessing the city carrier completed the route in less than 8 hours )

 

[btdtret]

Mostly harmless -- "Basically management has made it a habit to take rural vehicles from subs and low seniority regular rural carriers and give those vehicles to our city carriers. People are pissed a frustrated my DR is saying as long as those carriers are being compensated wait time that there is no harm or foul."

-- I'd say call NRLCA HQ to report the DR's actions, or lack of action / understanding.

-- IF the rural vehicles are not being returned with a full tank of gas, per Step 4 ( L-101 ), that should be an easy grievance win.

- Have you asked the DR where in L-101 is the mention of being compensated for waiting?

- If your vehicle is returned, needing gas, politely ask manglement to fill the vehicle before you take it to the street! Maybe that will encourage manglement to have the city carrier do it. Or not!

- Have you asked the DR which part of "this usage should be on an EXCEPTIONAL or EMERGENCY basis" he/she doesn't understand?

-- Good luck.

 

[btdtret]

fable -- "Similarly, they come to our office on Amazon Sunday to take our vehicles for use. I only put 100 miles a week on my route, but they put 100 miles in one day and leave it a mess. Hate that other people are taking it on Sundays."

-- Print out Step 4 ( L-101 ) and point out to manglement the section: Cleaning Vehicles

- Rural carriers are REQUIRED to keep vehicles clear of trash, debris, personal items, loose forms, etc., and to remove all mail on completion of delivery duties.

-- Take picture(s) of your vehicle after it was used for Sunday deliveries. Politely ask manglement to clean it out before you use it -- or put you on a Green Card if you clean the vehicle! Or you could clean it out as part of your EOS time.

 

[oi veh.]

Or you could clean it out as part of your EOS time.

^^^this.