Unsupervised Offices Part 2

[maillady97]

I was advised by Shannonboy in the previous one to get a “backbone” so that is what I did, only to be let down once again by PM and supervisor. Refresh.. Clerk was sending raw mail back in markups and not sorting it to routes and not giving the routes packages that she knew had a P.O. Box, so route also loses a scan. When I caught on to what she was doing, I told her that it wasn’t right and it made her mad and it only made things worse. Like turning the birdcage around backwards that I have to put outgoing mail in and making sure to put the outgoing mail trays and markups on the bottom and i have to remove all outgoing packages just to send my returns back. Even tried to get stamps for my customers on the route and she would not get them for me. Told pm and all she did was come from her office to bring me stamps and never said a thing to the clerk and this has happened twice.

 

[oi veh.]

@maillady97 - ma'am, if you post in the question forum, your thread will be closed when there is a solution.

i will move this to general discussion.

 

[Rt2mailman]

If you are a withdrawal office you are to get you own Dps, but not have to dig through cages for it, it should be spread in route separations before you get it.

 

[Shannonboy]

Well.....I'm sorry you are going through this firstly, and secondly, YES, getting, and using your backbone is highly recommended. I also reccomend picking your battles carefully....if clerk is treating you in any manner differently from other carriers, then you must make a choice. Can a grievance better your position, or situation???? If not, decide what is your best approach to resolving it. If so....discuss it with your union rep, if your rep is worthless, go over their head to higher ups. I have multiple times, and had much success in it. I must mention, do not take pics inside your po office, or videos unless it's very very serious, and if you do....ABSOLUTELY DO NOT GET CAUGHT!!! They can and will fire you over it.....
However taking copious notes is Great!! Its the best way to remember, and gather information for your battle....dont give up.
Shannonboy

 

[really]

In regard to --- not giving the routes packages that she knew had a P.O. Box
2nd line should determine what to do with parcels, If street address goes to route and if P.O. box stays with clerks. Also if customer does not have street delivery and uses street address should be sent back NMR
Same for letters

 

[ABCya]

Ive been in situations with childish clerks. As I'm sure many have.
When we could not get to our DPS, because clerks chose to do everything else before sorting our trays into stacks for our route, we just all went and got ours out, handing off trays to each other. Sure it was clerk work but we got fed up at times and would do it. When we did, we just stacked any city trays in a neat stack on floor or on another postcon.

 

[Kee90Gee]

Get your own dps, packages and whatever. Then she will file a grievance on you saying you're doing her job, then pm will make her do her job since she's complaining about it. That is what the clerks in our office did. Some carriers (not me) would change the locks for customers and the clerks filed a grievance about that, so they had to go out and change locks for the customers. The customers complained because the turnaround for getting their keys was longer now and the pm came back wanting the carriers to do it again. But of course, they declined.

 

[EthelAnne]

I think the clerk on the other side of this issue posted on reddit. I'll see if I can find that thread and post it here.

I think this is it, though the clerk misidentifies the carrier as an RCA:

 

[maillady97]

If you are a withdrawal office you are to get you own Dps, but not have to dig through cages for it, it should be spread in route separations before you get it.

How would I find out for sure that my office is a withdrawal office? On my 4241a in the withdrawal section it has a Y so does the aux rt but the pm said that does not include my dps just the mail that the clerk sorts. Please help

 

[maillady97]

I think the clerk on the other side of this issue posted on reddit. I'll see if I can find that thread and post it here.

I think this is it, though the clerk misidentifies the carrier as an RCA:

Nope not the same. I actually feel for the clerk, kind of sounds like what I’m getting through. I’m grown not a child no way I’d ever treat anyone like that. Just wanna do my job and go home

 

[oi veh.]

How would I find out for sure that my office is a withdrawal office? On my 4241a in the withdrawal section it has a Y so does the aux rt but the pm said that does not include my dps just the mail that the clerk sorts. Please help

if it says Y, then you are a withdrawal office.

it does include your DPS.

please call your DR.

 

[Bucknadhand]

Im sure there is a standup somewhere that you can print off and hang/highlight for the withdrawl time thing

 

[EthelAnne]

I’m not allowed to get my dps that I have to wait until she can get it.

Any time you spend waiting for mail should be compensated as 8127 time. File a grievance if management won't pay.

 

[Rt2mailman]

Pm's do not make the choice if any office is a withdrawal office or not. That choice is voted on by the carriers. Once voted yes, it's yes until carriers vote differently.

 

[Shannonboy]

Pm's do not make the choice if any office is a withdrawal office or not. That choice is voted on by the carriers. Once voted yes, it's yes until carriers vote differently.

So....how do you go about getting a vote going on that???

 

[Rt2mailman]

So....how do you go about getting a vote going on that???

Asking for all of your coworkers to schedule a vote if they wish to change. To change to a Non-withdraw office is a mistake because carriers loose money if they are not withdrawing mail.

 

[RammerJammer]

My input is you are either a withdrawal office or not. If you’ve always retrieved your flats & mail from the hotcase and your pm does not pay a clerk to bring it to you then you are a withdrawal office. If there is still an office out there where they still have a clerk bring all mail to each carrier’s case you can’t take a vote and decide to do it yourselves and eliminate clerk craft approved duties. You also can’t always go by what the 4241A says either because a manglement buffoon sometimes omits it in the right box.

 

[maillady97]

My input is you are either a withdrawal office or not. If you’ve always retrieved your flats & mail from the hotcase and your pm does not pay a clerk to bring it to you then you are a withdrawal office. If there is still an office out there where they still have a clerk bring all mail to each carrier’s case you can’t take a vote and decide to do it yourselves and eliminate clerk craft approved duties. You also can’t always go by what the 4241A says either because a manglement buffoon sometimes omits it in the right box.

Well, with it being marked “Y” I’m going to treat it like a withdrawal office and if it had a “N” I would do the same and go by what it says. Very misfortunate that there’s no way of finding out accurate information… I mean even if it’s marked sounds like you still can’t be sure, so what good is anything??

 

[RammerJammer]

Well, with it being marked “Y” I’m going to treat it like a withdrawal office and if it had a “N” I would do the same and go by what it says. Very misfortunate that there’s no way of finding out accurate information… I mean even if it’s marked sounds like you still can’t be sure, so what good is anything??

What’s marked on a piece of paper is not what determines if you are a withdrawal office. You either know that you are or not and if it’s not right on the piece of paper you file a dispute. There is a box on the Office Walk Distance that you make sure your pm circles correctly during the mms.

 

[oi veh.]

@maillady97 - please go read the comprehensive guide. this is all covered in there.

short story: if your 4241A has Y on it, then you are withdrawal.

don't make it more complicated than it is.

call your DR and have him/her straighten out your management.