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NALC and USPS reach tentative agreement

I’d like to explain the Nelson meme I posted earlier for those whose heads it went over.
It’s Nelson, who represents the average disgruntled carrier, who sees the contract, sees the 1.3%, then immediately points his finger in disgust and laughs/scoffs in disgust of a measly 1.3%. Nelson doesn’t bother to run the numbers at all, just reads the headline and believes it. Very much like many in society today.
 
btdtret said:
Wilco et al -- " The same Arbitrator that gave rurals RRECS."

-- Not to defend that $&#*@ Arbitrator Clarke, but at least he recognized that the old evaluated compensation system was an incentive system as carriers got paid the full amount when finishing under a route's evaluated time. The USPS hates paying for work not actually done, even though the city side has their 7:01 "rule", which allows them to go home and still get paid the full amount if they are completely done before their "8-hour" day is up.

-- It was the NRLCA that first proposed and the USPS later agreed to redo the evaluated compensation system with something based on sound engineering principles. So blame the NRLCA for RRECS.

-- According to Clarke, the new system will produce substantial benefits for the NRLCA and the USPS going forward. ( how's that working out for the carriers? )

-- From Clarke's "Award" -- The Board of Arbitration ( Clarke and the NRLCA and USPS reps ) will direct adoption of a study that requires the parties to adopt the engineered standards and related recommendations on the Evaluated Compensation System within the parties' traditional incentive system without recourse to the grievance and arbitration procedure.

-- Clarke also added that the parties agree to proceed in good faith and in all due haste so that the revised Evaluated Compensation System will be implemented by May 20, 2015. ( with that he washed his hands of it, even when rural carriers wrote to him that the implementation date had come and gone )

-- RRECS "introduced" in 2022!

-- Someone else to point the fickle finger at would be then-President Dwyer who said in her "From the Desk Of" article in the August 2018 edition of the national magazine:

- "The parties chose to enter a Memorandum of Understanding ( MOU ) on how to develop RRECS rather than have Arbitrator Clarke dictate how it would be done."
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I think in respect to RRECS, his vision was solid. These Arbitrators should be held to ensuring that their "awarded vision" comes to fruition. Table 2 though. You were there...other than loose precedence via UAW and APWU, who knew in the rank and file that it was imminent and was there a tentative agreement voted down that sent negotiations to arbitration?
 
Wilco183 said:
I think in respect to RRECS, his vision was solid. These Arbitrators should be held to ensuring that their "awarded vision" comes to fruition. Table 2 though. You were there...other than loose precedence via UAW and APWU, who knew in the rank and file that it was imminent and was there a tentative agreement voted down that sent negotiations to arbitration?
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The negotiating team knew it was happening at the time. Just like the current team knows formula offices are the future.
Truly, the only way left to defend and protect the entire craft is hourly. It would create more positions and provide better schedules for relief carriers.

And, regardless of how bad the new offer is- enough people will vote for a cr@p sandwich to pass it. And then promptly deny they voted for it. I have a strong suspicion that schedules will be even more impacted after this proposed contract.

The erosion of the craft and it's quality of representation has depressed me mightily. Too many, in all stages, think only of their own pockets. They screw over the entire craft to make a few personal gains. Carriers and officers alike are guilty.
 
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RollinRural said:
Let’s look at the rural side, a current (40K) step 1 Table 2 makes $50,235. I think if we get the same deal it would put this carrier at around $60,00 by the end of the 3 year contract; exactly 20%.
Very doable.

Now back to the NALC contract; The problem is the people who are in the middle of the steps are getting the least from this deal. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE DOING BOOMER MATH WHO DONT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND CANT CALCULATE PERCENTAGES IF THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
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How is that you are right on math ? You are big time deceptive on math. Is every city carrier Table 2 step A employee ? Your claim is bogus
 
Wow... I have no words other than I hope that the city carriers will vote that garbage down. That is so insulting. Unions across the country demanding 30%++ raises and the NALC gets that heap of 💩. Guess their union isn't much better than ours after all. What's the incentive to stay anymore? Let's be real.
 
jsthere723 said:
Come on man ! Give it up ! You definitely gave an impression that you were right saying rural side will get 20% . And as a proof you plucked number for 1 step of 1 table .
Not a single sane person here evaluating this contract with the number for 1 step in 1 table
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Post where I said anything near that.
 
This board is complete crickets in terms of any thoughtful analysis of the Nalc TA. I’m not surprised people on Reddit have much better analysis.
Here are some important points. Since the first three steps of table two are being eliminated, and carriers in these early steps will be automatically advanced to step C, this results in much larger percentage pay increases for these carriers. There are a lot of new regulars in these first 3 step levels due to a huge number of new regulars in recent years due to both attrition and resignations. These people will likely vote Yes because they’ll be getting a 20% pay increase. Most of the other step levels will be getting around 10% over the duration of the contract. If anyone with half a brain looks at the proposed pay table, they can calculate the exact percentages. Furthermore, it’s a lot easier to just look at the pay table which includes all the 1.3% increases as well as the colas, which gives the entire picture. Don’t be naive people. Learn math and figure it out.
 
The rumor of 20% proved to be true for those at step A, because anyone at step A, of which there are many, will be receiving 20% over the contract term. In September we were discussing RUMORS. I’m not Renfroe.
 
RollinRural said:
This board is complete crickets in terms of any thoughtful analysis of the Nalc TA. I’m not surprised people on Reddit have much better analysis.
Here are some important points. Since the first three steps of table two are being eliminated, and carriers in these early steps will be automatically advanced to step C, this results in much larger percentage pay increases for these carriers. There are a lot of new regulars in these first 3 step levels due to a huge number of new regulars in recent years due to both attrition and resignations. These people will likely vote Yes because they’ll be getting a 20% pay increase. Most of the other step levels will be getting around 10% over the duration of the contract. If anyone with half a brain looks at the proposed pay table, they can calculate the exact percentages. Furthermore, it’s a lot easier to just look at the pay table which includes all the 1.3% increases as well as the colas, which gives the entire picture. Don’t be naive people. Learn math and figure it out.
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Yes . Now you are talking. Lot of us already calculated it to be around 10% long before you did . Not judging the contract based on handful of new carriers
 
jsthere723 said:
Yes . Now you are talking. Lot of us already calculated it to be around 10% long before you did . Not judging the contract based on handful of new carriers
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That’s nice but I didn’t see you posting 10% anywhere…
Moving on, I think this contract will actually pass because of the Huge number of step A carriers.
Unfortunately…
 
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