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Additional trip CBU

Augsburg said:
OK let's do math
Your total for line 20 on page 3 is 1.17?
Total for line 20 page 3 is what?
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It is aggregate 1 for everyone including you . 1.17 for the other thing ( gathering parcel cart ) you claimed that you did not get paid for on page 2 . For that one , I don’t know what your parcel number I can tell you exactly what your credit is sitting here under different scenarios——
If your daily package is less than 62 ( or 64 I forgot exactly) you got .18 minutes.
If your daily package is under 126 you got .67 minutes.
If your daily average is over that and under roughly 190 you got 1.17 minutes.
If it is over roughly 190 you got 1.66 minutes daily and so on
 
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Augsburg said:
Personally I have over 70 cbu units and my mdd report says over 4500 additional authorized dismounts in 52 weeks. that's about 15/day. My page 3 line 20: parcels - additional daily average is ...1
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What is your daily dismount total and daily dismount distance?

And what is the daily time page 3 row 20?
 
Augsburg said:
Nooooooope
"When indicated, Standard S111A (Additional trip CBU) will be credited at 9.3 seconds for the additional trip plus the walking distance (S142) at 0.00429 minutes/foot."

The walking distance makes the standard time "Complex" look at all the other categories.
Additional authorized dismounts are separated by box types because they have different credits. Please read the attachments.
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There is nothing in MDD to indicate additional trips CBU/ cent/ other etc .,what we are indicating in MDD is authorized dismount extra trips trips . In any and all type of dismounts . And that’s where the credit is given .
Tell me now , is gathering parcel cart is clear to you or not ? If clear , I will take leave on the other one
 
Augsburg said:
Personally I have over 70 cbu units and my mdd report says over 4500 additional authorized dismounts in 52 weeks. that's about 15/day. My page 3 line 20: parcels - additional daily average is ...1
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It will say 1 for everyone. It is an aggregate number as event . 4500 is total numbers ( remember we are entering 1+extra ) . So system will deduct the first occurrences . You know your route better . Roughly guess how many 1st trip and deduct . Then derive the daily number. Then guess an average distance. Multiply that distance with daily number. Then multiply again with .0043 . The result should line up with the minute given you in page 3
 
Maybe, I think, Page 3, "PARCELS Additional Trips" is when you enter TRIP2DOOR for larger parcels or many parcels that you can't do in one door delivery. "SERVICE Additional trip CBU" is when you enter additional trips at an authorized dismount at 9.3 seconds per trip on the MDD, the footage might be included on the 4241A under ROUTE TIME WALK. The footage for additional dismounts is minimal. I disputed this and won. Did it again this time, we shall see how it goes.
 
jsthere723 said:
It will say 1 for everyone. It is an aggregate number as event . 4500 is total numbers ( remember we are entering 1+extra ) . So system will deduct the first occurrences . You know your route better . Roughly guess how many 1st trip and deduct . Then derive the daily number. Then guess an average distance. Multiply that distance with daily number. Then multiply again with .0043 . The result should line up with the minute given you in page 3
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Math doesn't add up. MDD says 4500 occurrences. 40%cbu 60 cent = 18 00 @ 9.3 sec, 2700 @ 26.5 seconds.
The mdd doesn't differentiate so let's say all are at the cbu. 4500 x 9.3 /52weeks/6days= 134.13 seconds/day or 2.23 minutes a day .. mine is less than 2.2 on the page 3 line 20...

The mdd report has already deducted 1 from each entry. There are days where I have 1 on a day and I never imput just 1.
Looked at other routes on the mdd report there are also "1s" where we all know to put the total as the first dismount is a given.

The bottom line is if the onion wants us to use that category to justify postal math, it needs to be stated clear as day.
They've given us a "cheat sheet" made by people who don't carry mail, so if it's wrong then all of the disputes are garbage and that becomes a possible nlrb issue; since they took away the grievance process for rrecs.

I can tell you've done some work trying to decipher the codex, thank you but I just disagree with the process and premise of your argument.
 
Augsburg said:
Math doesn't add up. MDD says 4500 occurrences. 40%cbu 60 cent = 18 00 @ 9.3 sec, 2700 @ 26.5 seconds.
The mdd doesn't differentiate so let's say all are at the cbu. 4500 x 9.3 /52weeks/6days= 134.13 seconds/day or 2.23 minutes a day .. mine is less than 2.2 on the page 3 line 20...

The mdd report has already deducted 1 from each entry. There are days where I have 1 on a day and I never imput just 1.
Looked at other routes on the mdd report there are also "1s" where we all know to put the total as the first dismount is a given.

The bottom line is if the onion wants us to use that category to justify postal math, it needs to be stated clear as day.
They've given us a "cheat sheet" made by people who don't carry mail, so if it's wrong then all of the disputes are garbage and that becomes a possible nlrb issue; since they took away the grievance process for rrecs.

I can tell you've done some work trying to decipher the codex, thank you but I just disagree with the process and premise of your argument.
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That’s not right though . You’re supposed to put 1+ extra . MDD numbers are including that 1st one . So if you have 1 extra trip you put 2 . If you have 2 extra trip you put 3 . For credit , RRECS server is supposed to deduct all 1st trip somehow . Not the MDD . So the MDD report will show the total number only
 
TheMailman302 said:
Maybe, I think, Page 3, "PARCELS Additional Trips" is when you enter TRIP2DOOR for larger parcels or many parcels that you can't do in one door delivery. "SERVICE Additional trip CBU" is when you enter additional trips at an authorized dismount at 9.3 seconds per trip on the MDD, the footage might be included on the 4241A under ROUTE TIME WALK. The footage for additional dismounts is minimal. I disputed this and won. Did it again this time, we shall see how it goes.
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Page 3 one is for authorized dismount extra trips . All the parcel delivery distance credit including necessary extra trip walk distances you indicate with trip2door is given under the category of outofroutewallk
 
I also have zeros and I have 30-40 additional trips daily to cbu! I totally missed that dispute! Is it too late to dispute it? What is the deadline? Did it pass? I already have two disputes going. One for zeros on safety talks and the other for low minutes during load times. This B.S!
 
jsthere723 said:
There is nothing in MDD to indicate additional trips CBU/ cent/ other etc .,what we are indicating in MDD is authorized dismount extra trips trips . In any and all type of dismounts . And that’s where the credit is given .
Tell me now , is gathering parcel cart is clear to you or not ? If clear , I will take leave on the other one
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So why does the 4241m indicate the different fields and why does the nrlca worksheet indicate the different values. Don't tell me what the mdd can/can't do without documentation.
 
jsthere723 said:
That’s not right though . You’re supposed to put 1+ extra . MDD numbers are including that 1st one . So if you have 1 extra trip you put 2 . If you have 2 extra trip you put 3 . For credit , RRECS server is supposed to deduct all 1st trip somehow . Not the MDD . So the MDD report will show the total number only
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Correct, I never input just one, no one in the office does either. But it's in the report, so maybe the deductions are auto magic? Either way there are zeros in the service section, NRLCA has indicated that us the field to dispute. The package section is irrelevant.
 
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