Just made 47k, need advice.

[Nevrgivup]

Just made 47K and management says I have to be cut by Friday. Says I’m a overburdened route now. Need advice on who to contact. Spoke with rural union rep in office and said yep it’s going to get cut, new rules. I make it in every week under evaluation, never any problems. Please advise. I don’t know who my district representative is?

 

[stillfirstclass]

Spoke with rural union rep in office and said yep it’s going to get cut

to her route? lol! oh and not new rules, older than dirt rules... under evaluation doesn't matter, 47 and 48 is for interim time only... sometimes weeks and sometimes years.... certainly not by friday lol

 

[neciat]

Okay, it's Wednesday and they say you'll be cut by Friday ? Not gonna happen. There is quite a bit of work that goes into adjusting a route. Article 30.1.J entitles you to specific rights and input ;
J. Carrier’s Rights in Route Adjustments The regular rural carrier assigned to the route shall be notified in advance of any route adjustments and afforded the opportunity to submit comments in writing. The comments will be considered as a factor when such adjustments are under consideration and before any decision is made. Substantial route adjustments must be approved at a level higher than the installation and, if requested in writing, will be reviewed at the district level, except for adjustments to avoid actual work hours in excess of 2,080 during the guarantee period.

Make them do it right and seek any and all help you can find. Your local steward should know who your ADR and DR are. They will probably cut you to a 43K , maybe not, but they can. But, one of your many arguments / input to minimize the cut can be that, as you posted, you are under evaluation pretty much every week. Be thinking about what you want to lose and record that as well as part of your input. There is just so much logistical "stuff" that goes with a route adjustment. It's a lot of work and many details. Keep us posted / updated and we will help you. No one here is turned away !!! You are among friends and battle tested warriors here !!!!

 

[junkchucker]

I went to a 47k last October, I believe. Was hoping they’d let me keep it, as I’m not even close to 2080 trouble. No such luck, BUT they only shaved off enough to make it a 46. Took them about 5 months to actually pull the trigger on the cut.

 

[Dominator]

Just made 47K and management says I have to be cut by Friday. Says I’m a overburdened route now. Need advice on who to contact. Spoke with rural union rep in office and said yep it’s going to get cut, new rules. I make it in every week under evaluation, never any problems. Please advise. I don’t know who my district representative is?

Management can cut overburdened routes, but it is no 20 minute job.

Here's a thought.

Sign a step 1 discussion settlement on Thursday that the route will be cut this Friday, as management stated.

Grieve Saturday for being forced to case/carry part of a route that has since been cut off of your route in addition to not crediting the appropriate carrier for that workload.

Grieve Monday that management failed to provide 30.1.J rights before cutting your route on Friday in addition to being forced to case/carry part of a route that has since been cut off of your route and not crediting the appropriate carrier for that workload.

If management ever claims that the route isn't or wasn't cut, grieve ELM 665.16 for management's dishonesty on Wednesday regarding cutting the route Friday and failing to do so in addition to noncompliance of Thursday's settlement.

Maybe this would be a bit of overkill. ? Sometimes, upper management puts lower management in abusive predicaments where contract violations become number games.

Regardless, management shouldn't be making promises they can't keep. Pumping out a route adjustment in two days would be a Christmas miracle. It sounds like your manager is going into this blindly and has deceived themself to believe cutting a route is as easy as denying a leave request.

It's wise to educate yourself when you find it necessary to push back. I suggest you occasionally visit the Knowledge Base.

As @neciat touched on and exhibited, you'll find a lot of helpful and knowledgeable minds here.

Welcome aboard!

 

[Old Fart]

It's been a while. I assisted in route realignments when routes became overburdened from new growth. In the past, which may have changed, route cuts are authorized under specific conditions. Over 46K, can be cut to 46K. Carrier over 2080. Carrier consistently not making evaluation. Carrier not making dispatch. As I stated though, its been years.

We had one carrier who grieved cut from 46 to 44, on grounds he hadn't violated any of the above listed reasons. The union backed him and eventually convinced management to leave it alone as the union would win the challenge.

Adjustments ARE lots of work, as @neciat states. Not just slashing your route and re-evaluating it correctly within the system, but whatever is cut has to be inputted into another route. This isn't an arbitrary move.

I suggest you contact your DR, as they likely have more experience with route adjustments.

Guess I'm just not trusting of management, but if you're under evaluated, not 2080, wonder what the motive is? Upgrade a buddy's route? If you're under the radar, District usually ignores situations like yours.

 

[neciat]

Also, if you have not done so, it would behoove you to" bone up" on how to figure "time" on a route adjustment. BOX VALUE ( curb 1.82 on L route or 2.00 on non L route NDCBU 1.00 L and non L ) + volume factor + miles . Plus, any dismount distance, collection compartments, and parcel lockers all of which have a time standard assigned to them. Remember, this is all " on paper time" . Pay no attention to how long or how short your actual time is. This can all be found rather easily on the Knowledge Base. And by all means, stay true to your screen name.

 

[Lou Paloma]

Don't worry.
There probably isn't a qualified route adjuster within 1,000 miles.

 

[Curiosity]

Also, if you have not done so, it would behoove you to" bone up" on how to figure "time" on a route adjustment. BOX VALUE ( curb 1.82 on L route or 2.00 on non L route NDCBU 1.00 L and non L ) + volume factor + miles . Plus, any dismount distance, collection compartments, and parcel lockers all of which have a time standard assigned to them. Remember, this is all " on paper time" . Pay no attention to how long or how short your actual time is. This can all be found rather easily on the Knowledge Base. And by all means, stay true to your screen name.

Could you please help me locate the info on how to figure time on a route adjustment?
Thanks

 

[btdtret]

Curiosity -- "Could you please help me locate the info on how to figure time on a route adjustment?"

-- one mile = 12 minutes

-- Search for "boxes needed" in RI's KNOWLEDGEBASE Section ( top left of the page ) for a table listing values for "L" and "Non-L" routes as well as Cluster Boxes.

-- A route's Volume Factor can be found on the route's 4241-A, which should be in the Route's Route Book. Manglement should have a copy too.

 

[neciat]

The formula is box factor + volume factor + any mile(s) / parts thereof . NDCBU collection are one minute per week regardless if L route or not. Parcel lockers are 2 minutes per week regardless of L status as well. Say one mile is taken from the route. That's 2 minutes each day X six days a week which equals 12 minutes right there leaving 48 minutes in boxes , etc.

Check this out Boxes needed for a 1 hour change - Ruralinfo.net Knowledgebase

 

[Curiosity]

Curiosity -- "Could you please help me locate the info on how to figure time on a route adjustment?"

-- one mile = 12 minutes

-- Search for "boxes needed" in RI's KNOWLEDGEBASE Section ( top left of the page ) for a table listing values for "L" and "Non-L" routes as well as Cluster Boxes.

-- A route's Volume Factor can be found on the route's 4241-A, which should be in the Route's Route Book. Manglement should have a copy too.

Thanks!?

 

[Nevrgivup]

Thanks for all your inputs. I was approached again Wednesday telling me my route has been cut to a 43k and it will start this Saturday. I received new labels and a new edit sheet. However what I did notice when I was comparing the new and old edit sheet. There are boxes either that I didn’t activate and he activated them or I deactivated and he didn’t deactivate them on my last edit sheet. There is 9 total. The change would not have put me below the 47 threshold. It just seems like he was padding my route to make sure I go over a 47 so then he could cut my route.He also took off streets at the end of my route but didn’t remove them efficiently. There’s boxes that are still on my route that the other carrier passes to get to the ones he added to her route. She was a 44k before and I’ll find out what she is now today. They supposedly cut some off her route and gave to aux. So now with all new changes (new boxes and non active boxes)since the last box update and the 9 boxes that weren’t taken off. My route if he wouldn’t have cut it would probably be a 46K. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. I don’t know if I can do anything?

 

[Dumbassclerksyndrome]

Please call DR. If don’t know who that is FIND OUT via National website. Aren’t a member and can’t access website call Susan Knapp ASAP

 

[Nevrgivup]

Please call DR. If don’t know who that is FIND OUT via National website. Aren’t a member and can’t access website call Susan Knapp ASAP

Okay I found out what I was cut to and it’s the bare minimum 51:49 = 43K
The other regular is still a 44K at 52:38
I checked her edit sheet and 2 of the boxes that were in question moved to her route
1 was not activated but the other was left activated so now I’m at 8 boxes that should have been taken off before the last box update. If I were to drop those 8 now since they were supposed to be dropped. I would be a 42.
I’ve found out who the DR is and will be contacting them when I get off of work today.

 

[Nevrgivup]

Okay I found out what I was cut to and it’s the bare minimum 51:49 = 43K
The other regular is still a 44K at 52:38
I checked her edit sheet and 2 of the boxes that were in question moved to her route
1 was not activated but the other was left activated so now I’m at 8 boxes that should have been taken off before the last box update. If I were to drop those 8 now since they were supposed to be dropped. I would be a 42.
I’ve found out who the DR is and will be contacting them when I get off of work today.

The rest went to the aux route

 

[Morty]

@Nevrgivup grieve the issue. I would do several.

Did the postmaster correctly update the 4003 pre cut?

Was the route cut justified?

Was the route cut made maliciously by USPS towards the carrier harming wages, benefits, and working conditions?

Do these 3 ASAP. THEN you call the district rep to ask where to send these grievances.

Never ever ever ever ever never call first then grieve. Grieve, then call.

 

[Nevrgivup]

I didn’t think that out correctly. If I lose the 8 boxes I won’t fall below a 43. So stressed out over losing the $275 a week. Can’t think straight but what I’m worried about now is in order for me to move up my hour I’m in the hole 8 boxes already so now I technically need 25 new boxes. Am I still thinking this out correctly?

 

[Voglio-il mio]

I didn’t think that out correctly. If I lose the 8 boxes I won’t fall below a 43. So stressed out over losing the $275 a week. Can’t think straight but what I’m worried about now is in order for me to move up my hour I’m in the hole 8 boxes already so now I technically need 25 new boxes. Am I still thinking this out correctly?

$275 a week, that's $14,300 a year & a serious chunk of change to lose!

 

[Gotrope]

Guess I'm just not trusting of management, but if you're under evaluated, not 2080, wonder what the motive is? Upgrade a buddy's route? If you're under the radar, District usually ignores situations like yours.

Districts have been instructed by HQ to stop ignoring interim route status of 47/48 unless there is a considerable, operational concern...like not enough square footage to create another route, no additional carrier available or the only rt available has a carrier with work restrictions.

All this coming to an office near you by fall.