Unclewolverine
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You know that UAW represent Ford, chevy, and chrysler workers? Companies that are in direct competition.
Union Decertification in progress. If we all do our part we will succeed!
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Did you call me?
Did I hear something?
Must have been cows contributing to global warming, or some other Belief System (bs) I don't espouse.
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RollinRural
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It’s not the same thing. What company are Ford, Chevy and Chrysler contractors for?
Competing for customers is very different than competing for a contract. (In the legal sense.)
@copatown1968 - your comment was deleted because it violated forum guidelines.
i am a little confused though. just a few short months ago, you were asking how to get out of the union?
i am a little confused though. just a few short months ago, you were asking how to get out of the union?
RollinRural
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It’s not logic it’s the law. The Usps has a contract with Amazon. Amazon drivers are subcontractors of the Amazon company. Big difference legally.
I’m not going to continue to waste my time to explain how the world works to a bunch of disgruntled employees.
Have a nice day
Most of the Amazon delivery drivers (residential delivery) DO NOT work directly for Amazon. People lease/own (not sure, which) however many routes, they hire the delivery drivers, get the vehicles from Amazon (not sure how that financial arrangement works), usually without benefits.
stingrayiii
Well-known member
Who cares if it isn't teamsters, anything is better then what we got now!
Johnny Chan
New member
Thank you all for the support. My wife and I are collecting these signatures. I am a rural carrier in Lexington NC and still a dues paying member of 16 years. I know we need A union so if we don’t retain another union by next mays election you’ll have the chance to vote to keep NRLCA. But we have zero chance of a change if we don’t get the signatures needed by December 28th. Stand up and make the effort. Thank you all and God bless
Johnny Chandler 336-239-1651
Johnny Chandler 336-239-1651
Johnny Chan
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RollinRural
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As I stated earlier, ups and Usps are competing for amazon’s business. Specifically both ups and Usps negotiate a contract for the Amazon parcels which they deliver. For this reason, the teamsters would have a conflict of interest if they represented both ups drivers and Usps carriers.
If the teamsters represent Amazon delivery drivers, that is completely different because they have a different relationship as a subcontractor to Amazon. I could go into more legal details but the main point is the conflict of interest and how it violates the unionized fair representation labor agreement.
Whoever started the decertification petition should have spoken to a lawyer first.
OldHillbilly
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Neither the Teamsters or our union negotiates the contracts with Amazon, UPS and USPS negotiates those agreements. Additionally, the USPS delivers 30 - 35% of FedEx and UPS’s ground parcels. UPS also has a contract to fly our mail. Competitors sometimes, allies others. Plus the petition to vote to decertify is just the first step, could fail if a vote is taken but allows carriers a choice to voice their disapproval or approval of the current union. If the union is counting on their legal counsel good luck with that. Workers have a right to call current union leadership’s action or inaction into question just as much as you have to defend it. The Union needs a serious wake-up call and this just may trigger it.
DB.Cooper
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DB.Cooper
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Are you like some union shill???? I'm just wondering why you are so against looking at possible better options????? WTH.... weren't you supposedly one of the Amazombies crying about the NRLCA screwing you for the past several YEARS????? Puzzling that you're now such fan.... js....
flash
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Nrlca consistently puts us in a position without contracts.....
I want a union who actually represents and forces management to simply follow the rules in place....
DB.Cooper
Well-known member
Maston (aka ASSton) coming out and saying it's all okay, and suck it up really fries my shorts.... he could have said, hey we know it's bad, and we're gonna look at rebuilding Rt's and addressing problems, and work to make things better.... but NO.... he tells us, it's all good and just suck it up buttercup.... what a funking farce.... throw the worthless bastids out on their @$$es, then see if they're still saying it ain't so bad.....
RollinRural
Well-known member
The biggest reason is because when our current contract expires and the NRLCA is decertified, we will not have a contract. The 2021-2024 contract immediately becomes void until a new union ratifies a new contract which involves negotiations, possibly arbitration but certainly a vote by mail as usual by members for ratification, all of which will take at least a year. For that time we will be “at will” employees with zero benefits, minimum wage pay and you will immediately lose your route as well and do whatever management wants you to do. As we all know, currently with the NRLCA in place, as always, the current contract remains in effect when it expires. Johnny chandler knows this and could not even attempt to refute it in the other thread.I see no reason to not go forward in researching possible better options.... it's very obvious that NRLCA has been failing us bigly for a very long time.... wth.... why not do something about it????
The reason the contract becomes void is because one of the parties to the contract, the NRLCA, no longer exists and no longer represents us. I encourage you people reading this to look up the law and do more research and less running of your mouth. You’re playing with fire and being extremely reckless. Wake up.
John Chandler and I had multiple conversations before we decided to post news regarding what Teamsters said and we decided that even though they have stated they can not represent us right now, it was still best to gather signatures and A) Look for other options and B) seek clarification on the Teamsters because we believe there may actually be a misunderstanding on their No raid clause and us not being affiliated with AFL-CIO.
So yes Teamsters is out for today, but we are continuing to reach out to reps to get a definite answer on whether or not there was a misunderstanding. Teamsters works from the bottom up, so if the rep we spoke to was not knowledgeable enough then it is possible that there was miscommunication but we have not given up on Teamsters and we will be asking people to write Teamsters urging them to take a deeper look into our situation as we believe we are eligible for a takeover and we want clarification ( I don't know if John has posted that request yet or not but expect it posted soon if he hasn't).
I've interviewed for 2 more news outlets after the Federal News Network one that was posted a few days ago so that should give us some more promotion when they are released. We are still reaching out to more outlets and future interviews will now address Maston's comments from his article. John and I will continue to move forward on collecting signatures, reaching out to Teamsters and interviewing/podcasting as much as possible. The union needs to wake up and we intend to wake them.
VocalCarrier
Active member
Great job! Plan B might be start a new union amongst ourselves; one thing is certain the NRLCA has to be replaced.
