I do about half and half everyday regardless of volume and don't know how I should answer for the mini survey. Like "GOTSTAMPS", I have some roads that I am a sitting duck and I don't want to be stopped any longer than I have to be. I am wondering if they have a two fold agenda. One as stated to police EOS duties if you case all of it and two police morning office time if you take it to the street.
Mail Survey (Mini Mail Count): So Why Do You Think They're Tracking If We Take DPS to the Street or Not?
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Defiant
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As it should be. We have no right to waste time in the morning or afternoon. Sometimes people need a reset and understand you are being paid to do a job, not dick around.
Not sure anyone is dicking around. I just expect to work my 8.6 hours a day and be paid for them not paid for 7.
Or, if the standards say it is an 8.6 hour route and you work 6 hours................GREAT !! It is STILL considered an incentive based system. No, the system does not in any way reflect what it once was and standards have just eroded to the point of almost non existent and we all know the real reason for that but the evaluated system is an incentive system.
Broken record.
The Study was done with approval and input from USPS, not just our union. They really only know city carrier methodology, and everything in this new system smacks of it nearly every event. One core principle is any time in the office is WASTED and the more it's eliminated the more they save. This is fantasy, of course but doesn't matter. We will be pressed into hourly harassment and observation while being theoretically salaried. Push all DPS to the street. (This is stupidity in our offices, we have several coverages a day and reasonably high DPS numbers) Core principle two is they don't trust ANY of us as far as they can throw us, so POLICE WORK and monitoring and threats are still the best way, in their view, to accomplish anything. Our union doesn't object too much, as their livelihood is made with filing minor grievances about this hour or that. All this police work by management will generate grievances.
Neither union nor management cares two
about what the workers care or want or think will work. Shut UP and follow the leader.
The Study was done with approval and input from USPS, not just our union. They really only know city carrier methodology, and everything in this new system smacks of it nearly every event. One core principle is any time in the office is WASTED and the more it's eliminated the more they save. This is fantasy, of course but doesn't matter. We will be pressed into hourly harassment and observation while being theoretically salaried. Push all DPS to the street. (This is stupidity in our offices, we have several coverages a day and reasonably high DPS numbers) Core principle two is they don't trust ANY of us as far as they can throw us, so POLICE WORK and monitoring and threats are still the best way, in their view, to accomplish anything. Our union doesn't object too much, as their livelihood is made with filing minor grievances about this hour or that. All this police work by management will generate grievances.
Neither union nor management cares two
about what the workers care or want or think will work. Shut UP and follow the leader. Yes it is but if it becomes unattainable every day it will no longer be an incentive based evaluated system. Granted some routes are over evaluated but a lot of routes are under evaluated and this system may be making it worse.
As it should be. I have seen rural carrier "milk" route trying to claim they need help when they just jack around by wasting all morning talking and what.
I went off the one day about it. This carrier was claiming he needed helped on a Monday, and he had less mail than I did on my aux route. I went off on them. You can't claim to need help when you waste half hour talking and drag your feet and drive ridiculously slow.
Oh there are few that do. Old office had carrier waste all morning talking then would claim to need help and always get it. It was joke.
Yes the incentive base system is great when everything working right. The standards are working right and the carrier doing the right thing. (Not working off clock, taking massive shortcuts, and so on). Where you have 8 hour route and you get done 6-7 hours, there is absolutely nothing wrong. Now if you are getting done in 3-4 hours, that's when issue happens and incentive system looks bad.
Most of the carriers in our offices are hard workers and reasonably fast. They're beating evaluation this time of year by maybe 30 mins. They work fast so they can leave early. In one of our offices one guy asks for help on Mondays because he has a business pickup that takes 4 LLV's. He makes 2-3 trips but asks someone on their way back to the office to stop and get the remainder. Seems fair.
Haygrrl
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I refuse to sort mail on the street.period. A safer function is already in place, & the post office knows this.
Sorting mail on the street distracts the carrier from securing and maintaining a safe working perimeter around their vehicles. Period.
This distraction does not currently exist bc the function is performed in the safety of the office. Period.
Sorting mail on the street increases fuel costs, exposure to safety hazards & wear n tear on an aging vehicle fleet( not to mention povs)...this data already exists when comparing city routes before dps and after being forced to take to the street...just compare rhe two.
Haygrrl
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Same here..15 min a tray dps,5 for fss.When I stand in the office and case it all it takes me 15mins a full tray. I usually get 4 full trays daily.
I HATE casing dps so I always take it to the street
I drive a ffv. I sit at the box and sort at the box. I feel like it takes me forever on the street compared to my coworkers that case in the office. Is it an hour longer? I have no idea and no way to really figure it out.
I have even started doing the pull down with rubber bands and then sort the flats at the mailbox too, that feels like even more time wasted....I used to criss cross my flats and that went quicker. I want to just try all this out and see how my times are affected.
It just doesn't seem like the time standards are enough to do it the way the standards are described. I will have at least 1 month of doing it all (dps and flats) to standard before the new evaluations.
I had a new RCA show up for OJT and he actually showed me how to pull down and use the rubber bands on my cased flats.They are teaching this pull down technique in the academy in my area.
I refuse to be forced to sit in rhat aluminum oven 2 hours longer in the summer or freezer in the winter....
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Sandygirl
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That's very fair. I wouldn't have an issue with that if that was my office. It would be different if the so carrier was intentionally dragging feet to get the help. That's when I get mad.
In my old office, this carrier got a little less mail than me and started 45 minutes before I did, and yet I was beating him out of the office. He dragged feet or would talk morning then beg for help and they would give it. I just got tired of it. I shouldn't have to help carrier dragging his feet to intentionally get help.
If they take their time that is their choice but you are on your own to complete your day. Management doesn't want to deal with it.
Not quite sure what you're getting at in by the emphasis, but no one in our office is dinking around. We are all working at or just over eval now because we are delivering on average 120 more packages daily than we are evaluated for. We have no subs and all work our K days. With the added volume, we are still dogged regularly to get out of the office by the time on our time sheet.
I highly doubt they want the information for any good reason for the carriers.
In my office unless they move all of our start times back a minimum of 1 hour we wouldn't have anything to do if we didn't case DPS. Since we are usually waiting for packages to be finished.
And if they move our start times back the K routes would have routes finishing after our dispatch truck at the end of the day.
In my office unless they move all of our start times back a minimum of 1 hour we wouldn't have anything to do if we didn't case DPS. Since we are usually waiting for packages to be finished.
And if they move our start times back the K routes would have routes finishing after our dispatch truck at the end of the day.
Haygrrl
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We still have an rca that does rhat..she flat out refuses to take heavy boxes too
She literally told management that she couldn't lift them or load into the truck so she left them all for the other rca who had to deliver them after her assigned route
Management let's her get away with it
That's when you bust out the 4241A and point to the parcel time numbers. The evaluation on your 4240 is taken DIRECTLY from the 4241A. The route evaluation with respect to your parcel load which also directly impacts your loading time is NOWHERE near what is reflected on that 4241A. All they like to do is look at numbers and what is on "the sheet" and pay no regard to the fact of what you ACTUALLY have. So, show 'em some "numbers".
