Union Decertification in progress. If we all do our part we will succeed!

[Edge]

New article says:
Maston confirmed that about two-thirds of rural carriers saw pay cuts under RRECS. But he said that those losses are distributed over a bell curve — meaning that only a small percentage of rural carriers saw either a significant gain or loss in pay.
“Some may have stayed the same, some may have lost an hour. Some may have lost two hours, [but] it was not everybody lost 10 hours — and that’s kind of getting lost in the news, that everybody didn’t lose excessive amounts,” he said.


—- Is he completely unaware that the numbers were posted for all of us to see? Only 36% of routes stayed within a fluctuation of 1-3 hours. Only 6% of routes stayed unchanged, damn near 20% lost more than 8 hours! Another 27% lost 4-7 hours! A total of 66% LOST money with RRECs, so where is the curve he’s talking about? It was a steep drop for nearly 50% of employees. 16 thousand new routes now have to work 6 days a week! No one was given sufficient training, non dues paying members were not given access to critical information regarding their pay, and RRECS was implemented knowing that it was not close to 100% accurate, not to mention the countless questions we still don’t have answers to! Useless union at this point, you can’t get an honest president or any higher official to actually do their job and give us accurate information and FIGHT for our rights! Unacceptable

To be fair he wouldn’t know because he’s probably not stepped foot in a post office in 10 years.

 

[Edge]

Another thing I’d like to say is why not team with city and/or clerks unions for strength in numbers. Then they really couldn’t fire us all lol. It would be their worst nightmare. Hell I’ll even wear a uniform.

 

[Worve]

Another thing I’d like to say is why not team with city and/or clerks unions for strength in numbers. Then they really couldn’t fire us all lol. It would be their worst nightmare. Hell I’ll even wear a uniform.

Speak for yourself rather not have a uniform, been there done that at other jobs. but if it means gov vehicle for every single route I will wear a uniform

 

[RollinRural]

Still waiting on this law you keep referencing. You do quite a bit of running your mouth recklessly as much as anyone on this forum.

It’s called “conflict of interest”
Your buddy already said that the teamsters said no, go ahead and continue to waste their time and yours.

 

[RollinRural]

I don’t have any personal connection to anyone of the decertify movement.
Love having a debate about something and the other steps around the point. Yea, I noticed what they have posted but it’s not the end of the conversation.

Nor was it the point of the debate we were having. You says conflict of interest with out acknowledging that Teamsters represent UPS, some Amazon Delivery Service Providers, and some DHL Driver…

Guess what? All who are competing for the same business…
So as you have laid your argument out that is a conflict of interest for teamsters to represent all of those entity too.

Last I checked conflict of interest isn’t against the law… it’s basically built into to every type of political system we have from the NRLCA to Congress.

So I ask again… what law are you referring to?

I’m referring to “conflict of interest” and what you’re describing about teamsters representing Amazon drivers and dhl is not what I was saying. I explained it very clearly how the Usps and Amazon drivers are very different.

There is no law that specifically states “the teamsters can’t represent company X and company Y.”
Laws require interpretation. I’m not going to go into more detail because it would require a few pages of explanation, but it’s pretty obvious there are actually several conflicts of interest.
There are multiple federal and state laws that criminalize and prosecute conflict of interest.

Let me just give you one example; the Usps specifically prohibits its workers from working for UPS or DHL at the same time as Usps. For example, an RCA can’t work on a Tuesday part-time for UPS. What about a teamster union rep for the area who could deal with grievances for both Usps and ups? What about the district rep or even higher the teamsters president? This would also violate Usps statutes. Usps will not change this statute for your convenience.

 

[RollinRural]

Everything you use in your argument can in turn be used to support the argument that teamsters should only represent UPS, but obviously you can’t see through your own bias. Bless your heart.

It’s obvious you have no academic formation and are unable to grasp the concept.
What I’m getting from you is that there has to be an exact law that states the teamsters can’t represent both ups and Usps, otherwise it’s fine. Complete nonsense, 3rd grade level intelligence.

 

[OldHillbilly]

It’s obvious you have no academic formation and are unable to grasp the concept.
What I’m getting from you is that there has to be an exact law that states the teamsters can’t represent both ups and Usps, otherwise it’s fine. Complete nonsense, 3rd grade level intelligence.

Oh boy, you are citing non-compete clauses between an employee/employer as your justification? Those are made between the employer and employee. Those are not federally enforceable and fall under individual state laws. They are often found to be legally unenforceable. The Teamsters do not work for the UPS, they represent their employees. I believe it is not so much conflict of interest being the issue as it is fear at this point of being accused of collusion or interference that forces the Teamsters to distance themselves at this time. Our union may not utilize its attorney for our benefit but rest assured it would drag out numerous legal arguments to fight against the decertification process. The Teamsters at this point are forced to wash their hands of the decertification process, they legally can’t have even the appearance of being involved. I bet the union will fight tooth and nail for its own existence, too bad it didn’t do the same for rural carriers. So just keep insulting people’s intelligence, after all that’s our union’s mode of operation. And in closing, the Teamsters would not be representing the UPS and USPS it would be representing the employees of the two entities. Perhaps you are confused because all too often the union seems to representing the USPS not rural carriers. Just remember the old adage “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.”

 

[OldHillbilly]

I’m referring to “conflict of interest” and what you’re describing about teamsters representing Amazon drivers and dhl is not what I was saying. I explained it very clearly how the Usps and Amazon drivers are very different.

There is no law that specifically states “the teamsters can’t represent company X and company Y.”
Laws require interpretation. I’m not going to go into more detail because it would require a few pages of explanation, but it’s pretty obvious there are actually several conflicts of interest.
There are multiple federal and state laws that criminalize and prosecute conflict of interest.

Let me just give you one example; the Usps specifically prohibits its workers from working for UPS or DHL at the same time as Usps. For example, an RCA can’t work on a Tuesday part-time for UPS. What about a teamster union rep for the area who could deal with grievances for both Usps and ups? What about the district rep or even higher the teamsters president? This would also violate Usps statutes. Usps will not change this statute for your convenience.

Yeah USPS and Amazon drivers are different they have air conditioned vehicles and let the P.O. and UPS do the heavy lifting.

 

[RollinRural]

This isn’t Burger King, you can’t have it your way.
Teamsters will not represent us, they already said so. I don’t how long it will take for you to understand that.
Ups doesn’t have air conditioning, only in newly purchased vehicles from now on. It will take years for all of them to have it. But, as usual, you like to interpret the news in your own way.

 

[Wilco183]

This isn’t Burger King, you can’t have it your way.
Teamsters will not represent us, they already said so. I don’t how long it will take for you to understand that.
Ups doesn’t have air conditioning, only in newly purchased vehicles from now on. It will take years for all of them to have it. But, as usual, you like to interpret the news in your own way.

There's a multitude of ways to respond to that post. Don't see how an advertising jingle or comparison with UPS vehicles are remotely germane to what he wrote.

 

[OldHillbilly]

This isn’t Burger King, you can’t have it your way.
Teamsters will not represent us, they already said so. I don’t how long it will take for you to understand that.
Ups doesn’t have air conditioning, only in newly purchased vehicles from now on. It will take years for all of them to have it. But, as usual, you like to interpret the news in your own way.

That’s because I don’t like or agree with your way. And I notice you conveniently ignore or skew others’ comments or facts. I mentioned collusion issues, you just ignore it. I said Amazon had a/c not UPS. Others ask you to present evidence of so called “conflict of interest “ legislation, you do not. Instead if anyone is interpreting things the way they want it to be it is you, you seem to accuse others of ignorance and discount valid information they present. This is a democracy so we should have it the majority’s way, so you stick to your position and I mine and we will see which way our fellow carriers choose.

 

[Dahanan1975]

Added: forced out of brand new pov with 4x4,ac,360° windows, and made to deliver out of death traps..I asked the union why we weren't given a choice, and the rep said it was bc there were so few it didnt matter; if there were so few that didn't want to switch, then what was the big deal?..I've been constantly lied to over the years by this union..smgdh

You too ? I had ford f-150 4×4 ! And was forced into llv. Then when I filled out multiple 4565 indicating issues including the horn, they blamed it on me when it burned up and tried to fire me. Was off 3.5 months ! Our oh so powerful union settled my case = no back pay

 

[Defiant]

That’s because I don’t like or agree with your way. And I notice you conveniently ignore or skew others’ comments or facts. I mentioned collusion issues, you just ignore it. I said Amazon had a/c not UPS. Others ask you to present evidence of so called “conflict of interest “ legislation, you do not. Instead if anyone is interpreting things the way they want it to be it is you, you seem to accuse others of ignorance and discount valid information they present. This is a democracy so we should have it the majority’s way, so you stick to your position and I mine and we will see which way our fellow carriers choose.

I'm sorry, I have to step in here. So if 51% of any population votes to kill the other 49% of the population, you ok with that? Democracy is a joke. USA is a Republic. Educate yourself. NRLCA is a Republic. Clowns turned it into a democracy.

 

[OldHillbilly]

I'm sorry, I have to step in here. So if 51% of any population votes to kill the other 49% of the population, you ok with that? Democracy is a joke. USA is a Republic. Educate yourself. NRLCA is a Republic. Clowns turned it into a democracy.

Was referring to the rural carriers not the nation. I am well aware this is a Republic which supposedly is based on majority rule through the election of officials whose obligation is to represent the peoples' will. So CONCERNING the union if 30% petition for certification it still takes a majority to actually dissolve the union. I am fairly certain the MAJORITY of carriers understand that. The country itself was not the issue at hand our representation by a union was. Hence the final statement in the post you quoted which is indeed the case.

 

[RollinRural]

Yea, I’ve read what teamster have told the ones trying to organize this.
My point in continue the debate was to get to the bottom of the ‘law’ you continue to cite, but haven’t actually said what said law is.

Speaking of a law that prevents something but never saying what said law is is akin to the fear-mongering document the national leadership released instead of taking a step back to understand why carriers have choosing to support this idea.

Failure of national leaders to connect to the local level is the entirely of the problem of why this craft is in such a horrid state.

How many times do I have to say “conflict of interest”? Google it: conflict of interest cases are tried in court all the time.
Here are the federal guidelines:
The federal conflict of interest rules are found at 18 U.S.C. § 208 with implementing regulations at 5 C.F.R. § 2635.402.

Their message wasn’t fear mongering, it was just stating the facts and repercussions of this nonsense decertification idea.

 

[OldHillbilly]

How many times do I have to say “conflict of interest”? Google it: conflict of interest cases are tried in court all the time.
Here are the federal guidelines:
The federal conflict of interest rules are found at 18 U.S.C. § 208 with implementing regulations at 5 C.F.R. § 2635.402.

Their message wasn’t fear mongering, it was just stating the facts and repercussions of this nonsense decertification idea.

I believe what you cited applies to President Joe Biden not rural letter carriers.

 

[flash]

How many times do I have to say “conflict of interest”? Google it: conflict of interest cases are tried in court all the time.
Here are the federal guidelines:
The federal conflict of interest rules are found at 18 U.S.C. § 208 with implementing regulations at 5 C.F.R. § 2635.402.

Their message wasn’t fear mongering, it was just stating the facts and repercussions of this nonsense decertification idea.

We don't fall under executive branch of government... you still didn't provide an accurate law for your argument

 

[Pween]

I'm all for it, but whoever typed up that petition really needs to have some more integrity. It's not exactly professional or reassuring that the people behind this couldn't bother with proper capitalization or complete sentences...

 

[Chef_Lucid]

Make there a way to sign online and you will get more signatures. Most won't sign it in person because local Union will get wind of it and make it even harder for people to do so. But if you can make one online to submit people will do so.

Something to change.org or other petition websites.

I'm a Steward and happily brought the form to every carrier in my rural office. The NRLCA is full of cancer that needs to be removed. I may be a part of the union, and involved, but I'm not blind to the problems that are plain as day to see

 

[afk tornado]

How many signatures are you up to now? Did more pour in after media coverage or has it slowed down or stayed steady?